[CCWG-ACCT] Meeting location

[Avri Doria]

Hi,

I recommend that if you wish to make an ombudsman complaint, you
communicate with the ombudsman.

Nothing the rest of us can do about it.

avri



On 16-Oct-15 18:15, Ron Baione wrote:
> Again, I would like the community and the Ombudsman to make note of
> that Direct and viscious insult calling me Mr. "Baloney". The
> name-calling on this mailing list appears to be part of the ccwg
> culture, sadly. I can understand why people would be hesitant to
> submit new ideas or comments to this email list, but insults should
> not deter the good work being accomplished by ccwg-accountability.
>
> "I, probably like quite a few others on this list, fail to see the
> link between your message below and the subject of this thread
> (“Meeting location”).
>
> The message reference the Ombudsman's comment about polite discourse,
> not sure how you missed that part of the email, regardless of the
> "subject" of the email, most people respond to the "contents" of an email.
>
> "During our last CCWG call, I commented on the number of emails we all
> have to deal with and the fact that practically in every mail thread
> of this group, there’s growing divergence between the title of the
> thread and the content of submissions of some as the discussion proceeds."
>
> Again, the subject of an email is less relevant than the contents of
> an email.
>
> "A factor that makes it very difficult for the reader to just read
> those emails that are worth the time."
>
> We all have a certain level of dedication to the imoortant work of
> ccwg-accountability. If you can't read all the emails, may I suggest
> receiving the "digest" of emails? Not sure how to solve your issue of
> not being to read each and every email in full. There are classes on
> time-management, but that is your call, obviously.
>
> "I would greatly appreciate it if you would stick to the good practice
> of ensuring that the content of your message is aligned with subject
> specified in the header."
>
> That is not a "practice" good or bad, that I have ever heard of so my
> answer is no unless you can provide a source proving the existence of
> such a practice, thanks.
>
> Ron
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: * Roelof Meijer <Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl>;
> *To: * Ron Baione <ron.baione at yahoo.com>;
> accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>;
> *Subject: * Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Meeting location
> *Sent: * Fri, Oct 16, 2015 7:46:00 AM
>
> Dear mr. Baloney,
>
> I, probably like quite a few others on this list, fail to see the link
> between your message below and the subject of this thread (“Meeting
> location”).
> During our last CCWG call, I commented on the number of emails we all
> have to deal with and the fact that practically in every mail thread
> of this group, there’s growing divergence between the title of the
> thread and the content of submissions of some as the discussion proceeds. 
> A factor that makes it very difficult for the reader to just read
> those emails that are worth the time.
>
> I would greatly appreciate it if you would stick to the good practice
> of ensuring that the content of your message is aligned with subject
> specified in the header.
>
> Best,
>
> Roelof Meijer
>
> From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> <javascript:return>> on behalf of Ron Baione <ron.baione at yahoo.com
> <javascript:return>>
> Date: vrijdag 16 oktober 2015 01:45
> To: Grace Abuhamad <grace.abuhamad at icann.org <javascript:return>>,
> "accountability-cross-community at icann.org <javascript:return>"
> <accountability-cross-community at icann.org <javascript:return>>
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Meeting location
>
> It's not a policy on polite discourse if it is not enforced,
> especially when someone can be directly, publicly insulted without any
> fear of the Ombusdmans ability to enforce that policy. It is clear
> that after being publicly referred to impolitely and unfairly
> objectified as a "troll", an "it", "a silicone based lifeform",
> labeled as "hostile", and told to "give it a rest" simply for trying
> to participate and share new ideas, there is no actual ability for the
> Ombudsman to enforce the policy being referred to.
>
> The very fact that the Ombusdman already sent a note previously asking
> members of this list to follow the policy on polite discourse, prior
> to my being assigned as a participant to CCWG-Accountability, shows me
> that there has long needed to be some sort of special review of the
> comments made by members of this mailing list to see if there is a
> atmosphere of disrespect that for some reason has evolved over a
> lengthy period of time. After such a review of the distractions, the
> real work of completing the ICANN transition process will be more
> successful in my opinion. Can the Ombudsman comment on this proposal
> and/or perform such a review?
>
> Ron
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *Grace Abuhamad <grace.abuhamad at icann.org <javascript:return>>;
> *To: *Accountability Cross Community
> <accountability-cross-community at icann.org <javascript:return>>;
> *Subject: *[CCWG-ACCT] Meeting location
> *Sent: *Thu, Oct 15, 2015 10:58:48 PM
>
> Dear all, 
>
> For those who are attending in person, the CCWG meeting will take
> place in *Liffey Hall on the 1st floor *on the convention center. I
> sent information about the shuttles to/from the hotel in aprior email
> <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/accountability-cross-community/2015-October/006773.html>. 
>
> For those attending remotely, please join us via the virtual meeting
> room at: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/dub54-liffeyhall2/ 
>
> As a reminder, all ICANN meetings (including the chat rooms and
> mailing lists) follow ICANN’s Expected Standards of Behavior. For
> reference these are located
> here: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2012-05-15-en.
> In the words of the ICANN Ombudsman from a note he sent to this list
> on 22 June: "May I implore participants to continue to note the ICANN
> policy on polite discourse. It is important to have a strong and
> vigorous debate but we don't need to make personal attacks on each
> other. A polite note of disagreement should be sufficient, and has
> been frequently used. But if we start to attack individuals on list,
> this will distract us from the real tasks.” 
>
> Looking forward to seeing you in 8 hours, 
> Grace
>
>
>
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