[CCWG-ACCT] On Stress Test 18

[Eric Brunner-Williams]

Avri,

Thank you for making your position clear.

Is your rational for equity that all advice is equally important?

Is your rational for equity that all advisory committees are equal?

Or do you allow for some advice having greater utility to the Board than 
some other advice, and for some advisory committees having advice which 
is of greater utility to the Board than some other advisory committees?

If the latter, does the privilege you seek to make universal across all 
of the bylaws advisory entities arise from mere existence of an bylaws 
advisory committee? Do you propose to prevent some future Board from 
creating an advisory body it is not obliged to entertain beyond staff 
review of the body's advisory work product?

Eric

On 10/27/15 4:22 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>
> On 27-Oct-15 17:13, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
>> Could any conceivable accountability mechanism ameliorate what you see
>> as "a privilege given to no other advisory committee"?
> I think so.
>
> I have long argued that all ACs should have the same privilege.
>
> And that the Board should be able to say no after ascertaining that the
> process had taken the issue into account and decided otherwise.  And if
> the issue had not been taken into account, then they needed to send it
> back into the process to be properly and fully considered.
>
> As long as the Board adheres to its rule of _never_ making policy, not
> even when cloaked as implementation, the special privilege amounts to
> the courtesy of being heard and of having ones issues fully considered
> before acceptance or rejection of the recommendations coming from  the
> Bottom Up Multistakeholder Process (BUMP).  And if they don't that is
> where other escalation and enforcement comes in.
>
> Now with the GNSO PDP models of WGs being open to everyone and all the
> special early engagement work being done with the GAC, new issues not
> previously considered should become more and more rare.  And if the GAC,
> or any other AC, abused the privilege with too much advice on issues
> that had already been dealt with or which had not been introduced into
> the process at the right time, then the evaluation of the advice would
> become easier and more negative.  Being a hopeful sort, I expect the
> system would eventually reach a suitable balance where most issues were
> considered and no one got a second or a special bite at the apple. And
> reasonable appeals related to ICANN mission and core values, and its
> bylaws would be properly addressed.
>
> That is how the issue is ameliorated. Only some of this is about WS1
> accountability, i.e. making sure the articles and bylaws are up to
> snuff, much of it is a conversation for another time and place (WS2).  I
> only meant to question the whole special privilege thing.
>
> The problem with stress test 18 is that it is largely not an ICANN
> multistakeholder process issue, but is an intergovernmental issue.   We
> are the intermediary.
>
> avri
>
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