[CCWG-ACCT] Perhaps a variation...

Wed Sep 2 16:19:30 UTC 2015

Not sure i get the idea of "we have compromised enough" sorry if we did not
take ICANN to a member organisation, what other level is left to take it
to....J

Cheers!

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 4:58 PM, James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net>
wrote:

> Agreed with the below, this is not a productive route, its not a viable
> route and its not conducive to having a viable proposal that will garner
> broad consensus.
> We have compromised enough, anything further will undermine this whole
> effort.
>
> -James
>
>
> On 2 Sep 2015, at 14:56, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco at netchoice.org> wrote:
>
> +1
> Steve DelBianco
>
> From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of
> "James M. Bladel"
> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 9:10 AM
> To: Matthew Shears, Kavouss Arasteh, Malcolm Hutty, Mathieu Weill, León
> Felipe Sánchez Ambía, Thomas Rickert
> Cc: CCWG Accountability
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Perhaps a variation...
>
> Agree with Jordan, Kavouss, Malcolm, and others.
>
> CMSM was not the ideal, but provides the bare minimum in terms of
> enforceability.  I do not support re-opening the exploration of alternative
> models.
>
> Thanks—
>
> J.
>
>
> From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of
> Matthew Shears <mshears at cdt.org>
> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 6:42
> To: Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>, Malcolm Hutty <
> malcolm at linx.net>, Mathieu Weill <Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr>, León Felipe
> Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe at sanchez.mx>, Thomas Rickert <thomas at rickert.net>
> Cc: CCWG Accountability <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Perhaps a variation...
>
> I share the same concerns expressed by Jordan, Malcolm and Kavouss.
>
> Matthew
>
> On 9/2/2015 11:49 AM, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
>
> Dear Alan,
> I wholeheartedly support Jordan
> We can not reconsider what we were about to finalize from our Paris
> Meeting and start a new round of discussion just 10 days before the expiry
> of Deadline.
> I do not think that what Alan proposed is simpler as there is bnot clear
> criteria to examine its simplicity.
> I am not in favor of the continuation of the discussion in this regard.
> As Keith Drazak told in Chat, CMSM is a compromise even if I did not agree
> to use the term "compromise "as it is the only way that all six?Seven
> powers could be exercised by the community
> Legal Advisers have comprehensively described the problem of Designator,
> unless it is accompanied by the UA approach that we have totally abandoned
> Regards
> Kavouss
>
> 2015-09-02 12:17 GMT+02:00 Malcolm Hutty <malcolm at linx.net>:
>
>>
>>
>> On 02/09/2015 03:26, Alan Greenberg wrote:
>> > So, although I am hesitant to suggest we switch gears at this time, I am
>> > not sure we have a real alternative if we want to effect the transition.
>> >
>> > The At-Large group was very supportive of considering a variation of
>> > what we now have, specifically, a Community Mechanism as a Sole
>> > Designator (CMSD).
>>
>> Trying to revive a Designator Model, or any other model that cannot
>> provide enforceability[*], is hardly the way to achieve support for
>> transition. While I understand that you don't think enforceability is
>> important, you surely must realise by now that it is considered
>> essential by many.
>>
>> Even if you succeeded in pushing CCWG into this change, all you would
>> achieve would be to convince a sizable chunk of the community to
>> campaign against transition.
>>
>> Have you communicated to your colleagues in ALAC that you say were
>> enthused by this supposed alternative that it would just provoke
>> opposition to transition altogether? Or are they under the impression
>> that this is something that is likely to win a broad consensus?
>>
>> Malcolm.
>>
>> [*] I'm simplifying slightly by mentioning only enforceability: having a
>> Member also changes how the fiduciary duty works, which is also
>> crucially important. Becky explained this much more articulately than I
>> can.
>>
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