[CCWG-ACCT] Blog: Working Together Through The Last Mile

James M. Bladel jbladel at godaddy.com
Tue Sep 8 17:31:37 UTC 2015


Disagree, Nigel.  It¹s not about the past, but rather an effort to
future-proof the organization against individuals & groups we haven¹t
event met yet. 

Thanks‹

J.


On 9/8/15, 11:59 , "accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org on
behalf of Nigel Roberts" <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
on behalf of nigel at channelisles.net> wrote:

>Roelof
>
>You are a smart guy. You are open and ready to trust. These are
>admirable qualities.
>
>But ICANN, as a collective entity, to those of us who were there at its
>beginnings needs to continually prove it is worthy of trust.
>
>Because back then, it wasn't.
>
>And some of us remember.
>
>
>
>On 08/09/15 17:53, Roelof Meijer wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> Below I pasted some quotes from this thread. And I cannot but wonder.
>> What are we getting so wound up about? Did we really expected a ³yes,
>> perfect, let¹s implement this straight away²?
>> But what makes me wonder most is why, for heaven¹s sake, do we see the
>> board as a unity of ill-doers?
>>
>> The board members that have participated in our work are individuals
>> that I hold in high esteem. Quite a few of them tutored me when I
>> entered this miraculous world of ICANN quite a few years ago.
>> They gave me different angles and insights, pointed out different
>> possible views and were open to discussion, disagreement and new ideas.
>> And were tirelessly working to improve the way we work for the benefit
>> of the global internet community. And most of them did not change a bit
>> after they decided to help us all forward even more, make a personal
>> sacrifice and join ICANN's board.
>>
>> In my opinion, there¹s no collective single opinion in any wrong
>> direction in this board. There is however, a collective intellect and a
>> level of individual integrity and selfishness that one does not easily
>> find in executive structures. They deserve our respect. Which, no, does
>> not mean that we cannot have different opinions.
>>
>> When Steve Crocker writes:
>>
>> /"We support the important improvements for ICANN's accountability
>> contained in the CCWG-Accountability's 2nd Draft Proposal. We endorse
>> the goal of enforceability of these accountability mechanisms, and we
>> believe that it is possible to implement the key elements of the
>> proposal. We want to work together to achieve the elements of the
>> proposal within the community's timeline while meeting the NTIA
>> requirements.²/
>>
>> he in my opinion sends a very clear message that we should happily
>> receive, as he commits the board. Let¹s await the promised details of
>> their ideas and keep engaged.
>> Why should we want to send messages like the following, what do we hope
>> to achieve? Frustrate the process to a halt?
>> Read the quotes below, and note the interpretations of what was read or
>> heard: as in ³while you say, Š. I seeŠ², ³when you say, Š you mean.."
>>
>> /"While you say the the Single member is just a implementation issue, I
>> //see you attacking one of the fundamental principles, in fact the
>> //keystone of the CCWG proposal."/
>>
>> //
>>
>> /"I see in the Board's response a fear of the community and of the all
>> the //bad things we might do if we were not kept tightly in check"/
>>
>> //
>>
>> /"It should not come as a surprise that ICANN's current structure does
>> not want changes. Nothing is more natural in a change process than for
>> those who see some loss of control or authority to oppose it. It is a
>> very natural human reaction."/
>>
>> //
>>
>> /"for too long ICANN the corporation has operated according to the
>> priorities of the legal dept, and especially Jones Day, with the
>> board-staff simply taking direction from its lawyers (in-house and
>> out-house), putting the corporation first and the community last" /
>>
>> //
>>
>> /"When you say you agree to a thing in principle you mean that you have
>> not the slightest intention of carrying it out in practice."/
>>
>> //
>>
>> /"And I, for one, do not want the transition //badly enough that I would
>> capitulate to the Board's effort to completely //distort the proposed
>> process."/
>>
>> //
>>
>> /"I understand why the Board does not want to yield power.  That is
>> precisely //why it must."/
>>
>> //
>>
>> /"The effort to spin the replacement recommendation as just
>> //operationalization is impressive."/
>>
>> //
>>
>> /"not surrender and let the Board have complete control //without any
>> possibility of ever being subject to oversight ever again"/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Let¹s all sit back a bit and reflect. On ourselvesŠ
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Roelof Meijer
>>
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>> <http://www.sidn.nl/>
>>
>>
>> On 07-09-15 20:14, "accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
>> <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of
>> Avri Doria" <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
>> <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of
>> avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi,
>>
>>     First, my perceptions are not colored by Trust.  I trust the Board
>>and I
>>     trust that you are all well intentioned people who are doing the
>>best
>>     you can for ICANN.  I believe that none of you has an ulterior
>>motive of
>>     personal advantage for the positions you take.  I go so far in my
>>trust
>>     of the Board members as being among those who do not believe that a
>>     Board member would ever take a position just because it would help
>>him
>>     get elected and in the future would never believe that a Board
>>member
>>     would change her position due to a concern with being removed from
>>the
>>     Board.  I am sure that each and every Board member would resign
>>from the
>>     Board if they believed their effect were deleterious on ICANN and
>>the
>>     Internet.
>>
>>     My issue has to with with different perspectives.  Perspective from
>>the
>>     Board that holds all the power, and from the community that wishes
>>to
>>     become empowered, at leas to a degree.
>>
>>     While you say the the Single member is just a implementation issue,
>>I
>>     see you attacking one of the fundamental principles, in fact the
>>     keystone of the CCWG proposal.
>>
>>     I see in the Board's response a fear of the community and of the
>>all the
>>     bad things we might do if we were not kept tightly in check.  I
>>think
>>     this is problematic and may be a barrier to finding a solution to
>>the
>>     current impasse.
>>
>>     Some inset comments below.
>>
>>     On 07-Sep-15 04:22, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote:
>>
>>         Hi Avri,
>>
>>         it is not easy for me to disagree with you. In most of the areas
>>         where we work together we have consensus or rough
>>         consensus.  But here we have one of this seldom cases of
>>         disagreement. I recognize your statement but I am asking myself
>>         whether it is grounded on facts or on mistrust?
>>
>>         What are the facts? For nearly all CCWG building blocks we have
>>         an agreement:
>>         €Community empowerment (Agreeement)
>>
>>
>>     I do not see the Board as agreeing with the basic proposal.  Maybe
>>it is
>>     a matter of degree. The Board wishes to empower the community to a
>>lower
>>     extent than the community considers empowerment.  As explained by
>>other,
>>     you want to give the community more appeal mechanisms, whereas on
>>some
>>     fundamental issues the community requires decision making
>>empowerment.
>>     The concepts are so far apart, it cannot be called 'agreement' in
>>any
>>     straightforward definition of the term..
>>
>>         €Removal of the Board (Agreement with some minor specifications)
>>
>>
>>     Sort of ok. I think there is a bit of very unflattering conjecture
>>on
>>     the Board's part of a capricious and vengeful community.  Why do you
>>     fear us so?
>>
>>         €Fundamental Bylaws (Agreement)
>>
>>
>>     Not really, the CCWG proposal required that the Community have a
>>direct
>>     say on changes to fundamental bylaws and articles of incorporation.
>>     Raising the Board's threshold and consultations do not match the
>>     requirements at all.  The are qualitatively different proposals.
>>
>>
>>         €Operational Plan (Agreement)
>>         €Budget (Agreement with some minor clarifictions)
>>
>>
>>     How minor are those clarifications?  My impression in the meeting
>>was
>>     that they, like many of the other 'minor' issues where actually
>>based on
>>     fundamental disagreements.
>>
>>         €Enforceability (Agreement)
>>
>>
>>     I think you make a mistake about this.  The Board seems to assume
>>that
>>     we want to run off to court every time we are thwarted.  Nothing
>>could
>>     be further from the truth.   The CCWG plan was designed to make
>>going to
>>     court the end of a very long chain of other options that should not
>>be
>>     necessary.  The Board seems to offer a fast path to court. The CCWG
>>plan
>>     balances the empowerment of the community with the empowerment of
>>the
>>     Board nd strengthened redress mechanisms. It creates a new
>>participant
>>     in the checks and balances.
>>
>>         €IRP (Agreement)
>>
>>
>>     Without allowing for binding decisions, it can't be called
>>agreement.
>>
>>         €Ombudsman (Agreement)
>>
>>         We have a disagreement with regard to the Sole Membership Model.
>>
>>
>>     Which is the keystone of the proposal and the reason that the other
>>     parts of the solution would work.
>>
>>         For me the remaining open issues can be solved by further
>>         intensification of the dialogue within the community including
>>         CCWG and Board members. We have enough legal advice from
>>         different perspectives. If needed, we could get a third legal
>>         advice. But at the end it is the community which has to make the
>>         decision.
>>
>>
>>     The community makes the decision?  I thought the situation here was
>>that
>>     ultimately the Board would make the decision.  Had the community
>>been
>>     making the decision, this process would have been like the CWG
>>process.
>>     Once we would have finished the last comment period we would have
>>     submitted out proposal and then we could have moded on to the
>>     implementation phase.
>>
>>
>>         This is the last mile. It is very natural that in such a
>>         complicated transition in the final stage there are some
>>         remaining controversies. In my eyes, there are not 20 miles to
>>         go (as Becky has proposed). The main work is done. And it is
>>         good work, also thanks to the CCWG, to its co-chairs, to its
>>         members and to the input from the broader community. The whole
>>         process is a very encouraging example which shows how the
>>         multistakeholder approach works in practice. This is an
>>         important signal also towards the WSIS 10+ Review process in New
>>         York.
>>
>>
>>     If the Board were closer to agreeing with the CCWG proposal, I
>>would be
>>     able to agree.  But given the explanations we have had of the MEM
>>and
>>     the Board's other possible solutions, I just do not see this.  To
>>me,
>>     this looks like the morning of a multiday bike bike tour when a
>>century*
>>     or two are left to the finish. But maybe it is more like a climb of
>>     Everest at the last stage - stage 4, but i have never tried that.
>>
>>     (*century as in 100 km or miles - lets go with km, that is a little
>>     better)
>>
>>
>>         The reason why I have problems with the sole membership model is
>>         simple: I am in favor of a new mechanism to strengthen the
>>         checks and balances in the ICANN system to keep the board (and
>>         the other ICANN bodies) accountable to the community. But in my
>>         eyes the proposed Sole Membership Model  is untested, has a
>>         number of risks and is open for unintended side-effects.
>>
>>
>>     Whereas I see this as a fundamental check and balance element that
>>     compensates for the removal of ICANN's only external oversight.  An
>>     organization that removes formal external oversight needs a stronger
>>     notion of community oversight mechanisms.  The AOC reviews are a
>>good
>>     start, but we have seen that not only do the recommendations
>>sometimes
>>     get perverted in implementation (for example bylaws changes that
>>made
>>     the IRP less useful rather than more so, as had been recommended by
>>     ATRT1) or rather lackadaisically as we have seen with ATRT2
>>     recommendations that are green lighted for someday over the
>>rainbow.  As
>>     people pointed out to me frequently when I spoke of ATRT2
>>     recommendations, I mostly had to add: "but we are still waiting."
>>
>>     You speak of untested models. The only model that has been tested
>>is the
>>     current model without any changes.  And we have seen that this is a
>>     model that does nothing to curb the creative and spending
>>exuberance of
>>     the Board.  It is a model that will not work without ultimate
>>oversight
>>     somewhere.  This we can see strong evidence for.  As we become free
>>from
>>     government's ultimate control, we have to make sure that the
>>community,
>>     one that is ever outreaching, has adequate oversight.  We need the
>>SMCM
>>     in order to replace NTIA's ultimate responsibility. This cannot be a
>>     transition of the absence of oversight, but rather must be a
>>transition
>>     to community oversight. It is this that I don't think the Board has
>>     accepted, and that is the crux of the matter. I think it is
>>something
>>     that the CWG proposal requires.
>>
>>         I am not convinced that the proposed voting mechanism is save
>>         enough against capture. I did not get a satisfying rationale why
>>         Advisory Committees are treated so differently in the proposed
>>         mechanism. I have my doubts how governments can be included in
>>         an appropriate way into this new mechanism without touching the
>>         well designed balance between governments and the
>>         non-governmental stakeholders in the ICANN ecosystem.  And there
>>         are other detailed questions.
>>
>>
>>     In one respect, I  agree with you.  I want all ACSO to have equal
>>     footing in the SMCM, but am in the minority on that one as I want
>>its
>>     structure to resemble essence of the matrix balance that exists in
>>the
>>     ICANN system architecture. Nonetheless, I do not see major
>>opportunity
>>     for capture in the reference model as the initiation mechanisms for
>>     action and the vote thresholds are so high they do not facilitate
>>     capture. And the simpler we are allowed to implement, the less
>>chance
>>     there will be for capture and other shenanigans.
>>
>>
>>         The Sole Membership Model, as it is proposed now, is still too
>>         vague, too unbalanced, too confusing.
>>
>>
>>     I disagree.  It is fairly direct and limited.  It has defined scope
>>and
>>     functions.  The only fuzzy part is the voting thresholds and the
>>     modalities by which it worst internally, but that is an
>>implementation
>>     detail.
>>
>>         It is not yet ready for adoption.
>>
>>
>>     We disagree on this.
>>
>>            It needs a lot of more work.
>>
>>
>>     We agree on this, but those are implementation details.  That fact
>>of an
>>     SMCM is not a mere operationalization detail as the Board seems to
>>     claim, but its implementation modalities may be.
>>
>>         There are too many weak points. Go back to the table which was
>>         presented by Sidley in Paris where they showed us the plus and
>>         minus of the three models. It is true that the Sole Membership
>>         Model was the best of the three with more plus and less minus
>>         than the other two. But in total, all the three models were far
>>         away to meet the NTIA criteria, to be save enough against
>>         capture and to enhance ICANNs operational stability and
>>         security.  More innovation, more creativity and more careful
>>         analysis are needed. I raised my doubts in BA. I repeated this
>>         in Paris. And I raised my voice in the various telcos.
>>
>>
>>     I think you will find if you investigate it that many of the
>>weaknesses
>>     of the model have been dealt with.  perhaps Sidley and Adler will
>>help
>>     us with that.
>>
>>
>>         My first proposal was to dislink the discussion of the sole
>>         membership model from WS 1 and to have more time to go into the
>>         details of such a needed new mechanism in WS 2. This is
>>         obviously impossible. We have to propose something here and now
>>         within WS 1. I know that some CCWG members have mistrust into a
>>         long-term process and speculate that if they do not get it now
>>         they will get it never. I think this is wrong.  The process is
>>         unstoppable.
>>
>>
>>     Again you miss the point about the SMCM being the the keystone in
>>this
>>     system construction.  Removing it requires going back to the
>>beginning
>>     as it holds everything together.
>>
>>     As soon as WS1 in complete, the process will be stoppable unless the
>>     community model has been implemented.  As long as the Board remains
>>     unchecked, and only accessible by appeal, a system that has failed
>>at
>>     ICANN since its beginnings, there will be no way fro redress Board
>>     actiions.  If there is one thing ICANN has nearly always failed in
>>it is
>>     redress mechanisms.   After all these years of failure in redress
>>     mechanism why should anyone be convinced on ICANN's future redress
>>     mechanisms.  Here we have proof of what doesn't work.  New RR, IRP,
>>     ombudsman roles roles &c, are the experimental part of this
>>proposal. I
>>     have faith that with a SMCM we can insure that there are genuine
>>     improvements to the redress mechanisms, but in today's Board
>>     configuration, it is impossible to believe in redress at ICANN.
>>
>>
>>         My impression is that the majority in the community sees this
>>         indeed as an ongoing process of ICANNs improvement which will
>>         not stop with the IANA transition. In BA I argued that after the
>>         IANA transition (WS 1) and an enhanced accountability (WS 2) we
>>         will need to discuss a restructuring of ICANN to adjust its
>>         various SOs and ACs and CCWGs to the new challenges of a
>>         changing environment. I did call this ³WS 3² and ³ICANN 2020².
>>         And I also argued that small steps are better than big jumps.
>>
>>
>>     Yes any organization that does not continually improve is doomed.
>>but
>>     we should get to a point of sufficient accountability in good time,
>>and
>>     leave the future to necessary tweaking.
>>
>>     I find the invention of WS3 to be the first step in the process of
>>     taking decisions out of WS2 and see it as the tip of the spear for
>>     thwarting future change. Anything hard, lets push it to WS2, and
>>then to
>>     WS3...
>>
>>
>>         More or less we are witnessing now what Bill Clinton told us in
>>         San Francisco that getting Internet Governance right is like
>>         stumbling forward. As longs as it goes forward, it is ok. And
>>         what we are doing now is to prepare the next (small) stumbling
>>         step forward.  With other words, we have to be patient and to do
>>         now what can be done now and what is needed under WS 1 to allow
>>         the termination of the IANA contract. But this will not be the
>>         end of the story. It will go on.
>>
>>
>>     I am not quite the Bill Clinton fan you are.  And find that too much
>>     stumbling, as we often see among the Clintons, is not really the
>>best
>>     example.  Yes, if we are about to fall, stumbling forward is
>>preferable,
>>     but I would prefer to see us get our multistakeholder model beyond
>>the
>>     stumbling phase.
>>
>>     As for being patient, sorry, been too long coming.  We have been
>>     patient.   My experience is of at least of decade of 'soon come.'
>>For
>>     others it is  much longer.
>>
>>     But if patient I must be,  I am ready to be patient now and wait for
>>     transition until we are ready.
>>
>>
>>         And here is a final observation.  To put it ­ like Greg ­ as a
>>         conflict as ³Board on Top² vs. ³Community on Top² is misleading.
>>         Both the members of the Board and the members of the CCWG are
>>         selected by the community. Both are accountable to the
>>         community. As I said in the chat during the recent telco we all
>>         are sitting in one boat (or in one car) and want to have a
>>         better, stable, secure, efficient and accountable ICANN with
>>         more (and stress-tested) checks and balances in the system.
>>
>>
>>     The politics of Tops and Bottoms is always tough unless there is
>>real
>>     mutual trust of each party by the other. You claim that the
>>community
>>     does not trust the Board, that may be the case among some parts of
>>the
>>     community.  I claim that a far greater lack of trust is displayed
>>by the
>>     Board for the community.  I think many of your comments are colored
>>by a
>>     pervasive distrust of the community and its purported drive to
>>capture
>>     and game.
>>
>>     Once a community member becomes a Board member she adopts a new
>>     perspective and set of responsibilities.  This is what makes the
>>Board
>>     another part of the community while not representing the community.
>> For
>>     a the Board to become a genuine member of the community, it needs to
>>     give up its role as benevolent despot and accept the need for the
>>     community to balance its power. ICANN needs a community that can
>>check
>>     and balance the Board's unilateral power.
>>
>>     The CCWG model defines a degree of power sharing between the two as
>>the
>>     best solution for replacing NTIA oversight.
>>
>>     avri
>>
>>
>>         Wolfgang
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>         Von: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
>>         <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org> im
>>         Auftrag von Avri Doria
>>         Gesendet: Sa 05.09.2015 08:17
>>         An: accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>>         <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
>>         Betreff: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Blog: Working Together Through The Last
>>         Mile
>>         Hi,
>>
>>         The effort to spin the replacement recommendation as just
>>         operationalization is impressive.
>>
>>         I do not understand the references to capture unless they mean
>>         capture
>>         by the community from the Board.  I suppose that from their
>>         perspective
>>         the CMSM would appear to be capture in and of itself, as it
>>         gives the
>>         community a share of the power they now hold for themselves.  I
>>         think
>>         any discussion of capture that goes beyond FUD, needs an
>>         analysis who
>>         who has captured the current ICANN model.  Capture is always an
>>         interesting topic because it often means: "who is trying to
>>share my
>>         power now?"  I am all for opening up the discussion to the power
>>         anlaysi, current, potential and likely.
>>
>>         Additionally, I do not understand this statement:
>>
>>             where the current proposal still warrants much detail that
>>             may not be
>>             achievable
>>
>>         While it is true that is needs a bit more detail, though perhaps
>>         much
>>         less that is being claimed - until it is time for implementaton,
>>         it is
>>         not as bad as all of that.  What do they mean that an adequate
>>         level of
>>         detail is not achievable? Though I have learned that if someone
>>         does not
>>         wish to accept a proposal, it can never have enough detail.
>>
>>         I think we are facing a critical moment in this transition where
>>         we, as
>>         a community, will have to decide whether we want the transition
>>         so badly
>>         that we are willing to surrender and let the Board have complete
>>         control
>>         without any possibility of ever being subject to oversight ever
>>         again.
>>         The transition is the time to switch from NTIA oversight to
>>         community
>>         oversight.  If this is not possible, then perhaps the transition
>>         should
>>         not go forward.
>>
>>         We need to consider this turn of affairs quite carefully.
>>
>>
>>         avri
>>
>>         On 04-Sep-15 15:53, Grace Abuhamad wrote:
>>
>>             Original
>>             link:
>>             
>>https://www.icann.org/news/blog/working-together-through-the-last-mile
>>
>>
>>                 Working Together Through The Last Mile
>>
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>>             I'd like to thank everyone who has participated in both the
>>CCWG
>>             briefing to the ICANN Board
>>             
>><https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56132981>,
>>             and the CCWG and ICANN board dialogue
>>             
>><https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56133316>.
>>             All of our dialogues over the past months have been
>>             illuminating,
>>             challenging and in my opinion, an important and true
>>             testament to the
>>             multistakeholder model as we work toward the IANA
>>             Stewardship Transition.
>>
>>             */We support the important improvements for ICANN's
>>             accountability
>>             contained in the CCWG-Accountability's 2nd Draft Proposal.
>>             We endorse
>>             the goal of enforceability of these accountability
>>             mechanisms, and we
>>             believe that it is possible to implement the key elements
>>of the
>>             proposal. We want to work together to achieve the elements
>>             of the
>>             proposal within the community's timeline while meeting
>>             the NTIA requirements./*
>>
>>             As we enter the final days of the Public Comment period, the
>>             Board
>>             wants to be completely clear on our position. We are in
>>             agreement on
>>             key concepts set forward in the CCWG's proposal, for
>>example:
>>
>>                 * Fundamental bylaws.
>>                 * Specific requirements for empowering the community
>>             into the bylaws
>>                   adoption process.
>>                 * IRP enhancements.
>>                 * Board and director removal.
>>                 * ICANN's mission and core values.
>>                 * Strengthening requirements for empowering the
>>             community in the
>>                   budget, operational and strategic planning process.
>>                 * The incorporation of the Affirmation of Commitments
>>             Reviews
>>                   intoICANN bylaws.
>>                 * Community ability to enforce the accountability
>>             mechanisms in the
>>                   bylaws.
>>
>>             We have suggestions on how these could be operationalized.
>>With
>>             regards to the mechanisms for community enforceability,
>>             where the
>>             current proposal still warrants much detail that may not be
>>             achievable
>>             we have a suggestion on how to deliver on it in a stable
>>way, as
>>             increased enforceability must not open up questions of, for
>>             example,
>>             capture or diminishing of checks and balances.
>>
>>             Let's work together on operationalizing the above principles
>>             on which
>>             we agree. Once again, we are committed to providing more
>>             detail on how
>>             these ideas can be operationalized in a way that they can be
>>             implemented within the community identified time frame for
>>the
>>             transition, as well as have sufficient tested grounds to not
>>             result in
>>             unintended consequences.
>>
>>             During last night's discussion we shared this feedback. It
>>             was a lot
>>             of information to digest in a call (notes around opening
>>remarks
>>             
>><http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/accountability-cross-community/2015-Septem
>>ber/005160.html>,
>>             notes
>>             around 10 points
>>             
>><http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/accountability-cross-community/2015-Septem
>>ber/005161.html>
>>             
>><http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/accountability-cross-community/2015-Septem
>>ber/005161.html%3E>),
>>             and we appreciate everyone giving our advice consideration.
>>             We are
>>             committed to submitting our comments into the Public Comment
>>             process
>>             in the next few days, and we look forward to the working
>>             with the
>>             community on further details.
>>
>>             It is critical that we work together to build enhanced
>>             accountability
>>             forICANN and continue to refine and flesh out details of the
>>             impressive work already done by the community and complete
>>             the IANAStewardship Transition.
>>
>>
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