[CCWG-ACCT] Board comments now in

Chris Disspain ceo at auda.org.au
Sat Sep 12 23:16:05 UTC 2015


> Glibness is easy when brevity is the goal.  Thoughtful consideration requires extended analysis.

Then, perhaps, instead of responding to Seun in the way you did, it might have been more considered to be less glib and more thoughtful.

> ...I am deeply serious. The board’s commitment to the multi-stakeholder model is not.

You are entitled to your opinion but it is an opinion not a fact. Commitment to the multistakeholder model is demonstrated in many ways. In my case, my serious belief in and my commitment to the multistakeholder model is tested regularly by my peers, who elect me. Yours?

> The Board’s brief “we don’t like it and here is our three page counter proposal” does not deserve our respect.

It is disappointing that you appear to prefer to use glib rhetoric rather than provide a considered view having thoughtfully read and analysed the documents.


Cheers,

Chris

> On 12 Sep 2015, at 23:30 , Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> wrote:
> 
> With respect Chris, I am deeply serious.  The board’s commitment to the multi-stakeholder model is not.
>  
> And as for “size” when it reflects depth of analysis, yes … it usually does matter.  Glibness is easy when brevity is the goal.  Thoughtful consideration requires extended analysis.  
>  
> A CCWG process that has gone on for nearly a year and involved 100s of members of the community in meeting taking place across the globe and tens of thousands of man hours does, actually, produce a proposal that has the consensus of the Community.  The Board’s brief “we don’t like it and here is our three page counter proposal” does not deserve our respect.  
>  
> Paul
>  
> Paul Rosenzweig
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>  
>  
> From: Chris Disspain [mailto:ceo at auda.org.au <mailto:ceo at auda.org.au>] 
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 8:20 AM
> To: Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>>
> Cc: Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community at icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>>
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Board comments now in
>  
> Ah…so, clearly, size does matter….to some…..
>  
> With respect, you can’t be serious.
>  
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Chris
>  
>> On 12 Sep 2015, at 21:50 , Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Dear Seun
>>  
>> With respect, you can’t be serious.  The Board’s alternate proposal is a 3-page memo.  The CCWG’s proposal is an integrated 180 page documents which, even if you limit yourself to the parts directly related to the Single Member model (not including stress tests, or the fundamental bylaws themselves) is roughly 8-10x as long (depending on how you count it) ….
>>  
>> Paul
>>  
>> Paul Rosenzweig
>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com <mailto:paul.rosenzweigesq at redbranchconsulting.com>
>> O: +1 (202) 547-0660
>> M: +1 (202) 329-9650
>> VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
>> Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066
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>>  
>>  
>> From: Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com <mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>] 
>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 9:40 PM
>> To: Jordan Carter <jordan at internetnz.net.nz <mailto:jordan at internetnz.net.nz>>
>> Cc: Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community at icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>>
>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Board comments now in
>>  
>> Hi Jordan,
>> I don't think there is so much details to develop than what we currently have with the sole member (which by the way also requires a lot of details).
>> I think the main question we need to ask the CCWG legal is whether the leadership of the SO/AC(for instance) can indeed have legal standing under the California law. Every other aspect of MEM seem to make sense to me and just the clarity on the possibility of enforcement is what lawyers needs to come in on.
>> Perhaps it's also good to note that what is being proposed by board has been discussed one way or the other in the past but somehow we did not follow-up on the thoughts up.
>> Regards
>> Sent from my Asus Zenfone2
>> Kindly excuse brevity and typos.
>> hi all
>>  
>> You may be interested to read the comments from the ICANN board which have now been lodged:
>>  
>> http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-ccwg-accountability-03aug15/msg00045.html <http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-ccwg-accountability-03aug15/msg00045.html>
>>  
>> I'd draw your attention to the cover note / summary and to the memo on the MEM.
>>  
>> It's good to see some concrete proposals from the Board to take into account as we refine the proposal.
>>  
>> An initial observation - there is a lot of detail that would need to be developed if the alternative proposal was to be complete enough to undergo stress testing, based on an initial scan.
>>  
>> Happy reading!
>>  
>> Cheers
>> Jordan 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
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>> Sent on the run, apologies for brevity
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