[CCWG-ACCT] Fwd: Kavouss alternative proposal
Paul Rosenzweig
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Sat Sep 26 17:20:13 UTC 2015
Ahh James – the Board is not a stakeholder. It is the representative of people with an actual stake in the matter – the SOs, the users, and the builders. Management is never a “stakeholder” in that sense of the word. :)
Paul
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From: James Gannon [mailto:james at cyberinvasion.net]
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 1:07 PM
To: Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
Cc: Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>; Lisse Eberhard <directors at omadhina.net>
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Fwd: Kavouss alternative proposal
Some of us feel that membership is the only viable means to implement the level of accountability that we require.
I have a more open mind than some people participating in these conversations and will be open to constructive dialogue, but not to being talked down to and being told that we need to change the fundamentals of our proposal because one stakeholder (Albeit an important one) has disagreed with the work and the outcome of the community process. And I’m getting a little tired of such points being repeated.
-james
From: Seun Ojedeji
Date: Saturday 26 September 2015 18:03
To: James Gannon
Cc: Kavouss Arasteh, Dr Eberhard W Lisse, Lisse Eberhard, Accountability Cross Community
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Fwd: Kavouss alternative proposal
@James without making any preference on what have been shared, I think you seem to focus on the model and not necessarily the required community powers (which is the accountability enhancement).
Membership is not a requirement for accountability and certainly its not a requirement by NTIA. What is a requirement is proof that ICANN would be more accountable post-transition (and I said ICANN because its include not just board/staff but also the community).
So I suggest we approach this with a more open mind and focus on what is required and not what we want.
Regards
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 9:45 AM, James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net <mailto:james at cyberinvasion.net> > wrote:
But it means we would not have a membership model no?, which would be a huge change.
-James
On 26/09/2015 17:43, "accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Kavouss Arasteh" <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com> > wrote:
>Dear All
>There is community mechanism through standing Panel
>Pls kindly read the text more carefully
>Kavousd
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 26 Sep 2015, at 09:32, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.NA <mailto:el at lisse.NA> > wrote:
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> in short that means, there will be no Community Mechanism.
>>
>> el
>>
>>> On 2015-09-26 09:13 , Jordan Carter wrote:
>>> here is the PDF of Kavouss' suggestion.
>>>
>>> Jordan
>> [...]
>>
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