[CCWG-ACCT] Summary of current Board sentiment

[Avri Doria]

Hi,

I don't agree that there is any more factual basis in the Board's views
than in ours or in any other commenter. 

With two exceptions: they have a more factual view of the things they
will never agree to and have more knowledge about discussions they may
have had without transparency

But am comfortable agreeing to disagree on this point.

avri


On 28-Sep-15 12:47, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
> Avri
> You may agree that the Board submitted the results if its 17 years if implementation practices and experience whereas each of us have just expressed our individual experience  .
> Let us not argue that but just agree that what the Board suggested stemmed from facts and figures in a more general than other facts and figures submitted by individuals convoluted and amalgamated in what CCWG suggested
> Kavouss 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 28 Sep 2015, at 18:31, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I disagree with the notion that the Board presents fact and the rest of
>> the Community presents theory.  Many in the other parts of this
>> community have been involved in the ICANN bottom-up multistakeholder
>> process for as long as the Board members.  Some even longer with a
>> greater degree of experience.   And though our view is not the view from
>> the privilege of Board perspective, it is probably just as validly
>> based on that which is the case.
>>
>> The Board's views are important, and based on their ability to affect
>> the results of the community's work have a special role in our
>> considerations.  But please lets not elevate their position to the one
>> truth we must all recognize.
>>
>> avri
>>
>>> On 28-Sep-15 11:38, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
>>> Dear Ed
>>> I always respect your views but this time with a little bit if reluctance.
>>> Board, s views contain a great degree of valuable importance as it
>>> speaks for implementation of the idea whereas we purely were thinking
>>> and discussing of almost theory.
>>> Regards
>>> Kavouss      
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 28 Sep 2015, at 15:26, avri doria <avri at ella.com
>>> <mailto:avri at ella.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Or we may have to realize that the Board's fear of the community and
>>>> the FUD about what we might do, is so great that they will never be
>>>> able to accept a membership model. The historical and continuing
>>>> aversion of ICANN's Board and legal advisers to the notion of
>>>> allowing the community to have any kind of membership may just be
>>>> part of its nature and something they are incapable of 'blinking'
>>>> about. It may be the threshold ceiling this experiment in bottom up
>>>> multistakeholder process can never move beyond. ICANN may, by its
>>>> very nature and history, never be able to become fully what it
>>>> aspires to be recognized as.
>>>>
>>>> It then may be up to the community to decide to take whatever crumbs
>>>> of accountability we can get.  One thing I am certain of, one way or
>>>> another, ICANN will come out of this process changed. It will either
>>>> continue to lead in developing a true multistakeholder model. Or it
>>>> may just settle into a slow decline as another organization that
>>>> never lived up to its promise.
>>>>
>>>> avri
>>>>
>>>> Sent from a T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse <epilisse at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:epilisse at gmail.com>>
>>>> Date:09/28/2015 8:15 AM (GMT-05:00)
>>>> To: CCWG Accountability <accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>>>> <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>>
>>>> Cc: Lisse Eberhard <directors at omadhina.NET
>>>> <mailto:directors at omadhina.NET>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Summary of current Board sentiment
>>>>
>>>> Ed,
>>>>
>>>> of course we must give special attention to the Board. Stare them in
>>>> the face until they blink :-)-O
>>>>
>>>> el
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
>>>>
>>>> On 28 Sep 2015, at 06:27, Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net
>>>> <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Kavouss,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I personally attach a very hight level of  support to the Board,s
>>>>> comments which stem from 17 years of valuable experience. While I
>>>>> support and appreciate public comments but we should give special
>>>>> attention to the valuable comments from the Board and should not put
>>>>> those  comments in the sane basket of any other comment received
>>>>> from individual .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I respectfully disagree with this sentiment. I give no greater
>>>>> weight to the comments of a member of the Board than I do to a
>>>>> comment from  the least privileged amongst us. I give power to the
>>>>> idea, not to the person or the organisation making it. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed
>>>>>
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