[CCWG-ACCT] Summary of current Board sentiment

Mon Sep 28 17:11:07 UTC 2015

+1 James
Community has journeyed too far to hang its head ...we may be at a critical
moment in the m' stakeholder process.
RD
On Sep 28, 2015 1:01 PM, "James Gannon" <james at cyberinvasion.net> wrote:

> I would prefer not to throw away the multistakeholder process in the name
> of the transition. I don’t know if I’m alone in that view but its certainly
> one I hold.
>
> -James
>
>
>
>
> On 28/09/2015 17:47, "accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org on
> behalf of Kavouss Arasteh" <
> accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org on behalf of
> kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Avri
> >You may agree that the Board submitted the results if its 17 years if
> implementation practices and experience whereas each of us have just
> expressed our individual experience  .
> >Let us not argue that but just agree that what the Board suggested
> stemmed from facts and figures in a more general than other facts and
> figures submitted by individuals convoluted and amalgamated in what CCWG
> suggested
> >Kavouss
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On 28 Sep 2015, at 18:31, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I disagree with the notion that the Board presents fact and the rest of
> >> the Community presents theory.  Many in the other parts of this
> >> community have been involved in the ICANN bottom-up multistakeholder
> >> process for as long as the Board members.  Some even longer with a
> >> greater degree of experience.   And though our view is not the view from
> >> the privilege of Board perspective, it is probably just as validly
> >> based on that which is the case.
> >>
> >> The Board's views are important, and based on their ability to affect
> >> the results of the community's work have a special role in our
> >> considerations.  But please lets not elevate their position to the one
> >> truth we must all recognize.
> >>
> >> avri
> >>
> >>> On 28-Sep-15 11:38, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
> >>> Dear Ed
> >>> I always respect your views but this time with a little bit if
> reluctance.
> >>> Board, s views contain a great degree of valuable importance as it
> >>> speaks for implementation of the idea whereas we purely were thinking
> >>> and discussing of almost theory.
> >>> Regards
> >>> Kavouss
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On 28 Sep 2015, at 15:26, avri doria <avri at ella.com
> >>> <mailto:avri at ella.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> Or we may have to realize that the Board's fear of the community and
> >>>> the FUD about what we might do, is so great that they will never be
> >>>> able to accept a membership model. The historical and continuing
> >>>> aversion of ICANN's Board and legal advisers to the notion of
> >>>> allowing the community to have any kind of membership may just be
> >>>> part of its nature and something they are incapable of 'blinking'
> >>>> about. It may be the threshold ceiling this experiment in bottom up
> >>>> multistakeholder process can never move beyond. ICANN may, by its
> >>>> very nature and history, never be able to become fully what it
> >>>> aspires to be recognized as.
> >>>>
> >>>> It then may be up to the community to decide to take whatever crumbs
> >>>> of accountability we can get.  One thing I am certain of, one way or
> >>>> another, ICANN will come out of this process changed. It will either
> >>>> continue to lead in developing a true multistakeholder model. Or it
> >>>> may just settle into a slow decline as another organization that
> >>>> never lived up to its promise.
> >>>>
> >>>> avri
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from a T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -------- Original message --------
> >>>> From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse <epilisse at gmail.com
> >>>> <mailto:epilisse at gmail.com>>
> >>>> Date:09/28/2015 8:15 AM (GMT-05:00)
> >>>> To: CCWG Accountability <accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> >>>> <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>>
> >>>> Cc: Lisse Eberhard <directors at omadhina.NET
> >>>> <mailto:directors at omadhina.NET>>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Summary of current Board sentiment
> >>>>
> >>>> Ed,
> >>>>
> >>>> of course we must give special attention to the Board. Stare them in
> >>>> the face until they blink :-)-O
> >>>>
> >>>> el
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
> >>>>
> >>>> On 28 Sep 2015, at 06:27, Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net
> >>>> <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Kavouss,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I personally attach a very hight level of  support to the Board,s
> >>>>> comments which stem from 17 years of valuable experience. While I
> >>>>> support and appreciate public comments but we should give special
> >>>>> attention to the valuable comments from the Board and should not put
> >>>>> those  comments in the sane basket of any other comment received
> >>>>> from individual .
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I respectfully disagree with this sentiment. I give no greater
> >>>>> weight to the comments of a member of the Board than I do to a
> >>>>> comment from  the least privileged amongst us. I give power to the
> >>>>> idea, not to the person or the organisation making it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ed
> >>>>>
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