[CCWG-ACCT] Clarifying the Observer Role in the Subgroups

Sun Aug 14 20:48:40 UTC 2016

Ricardo,

All participants in WS2 sub-groups, regardless if the are  Observers or
not, as all participants in the CCWG-Accountability must complete an SOI.

Cheers.

Benrard Turcotte
ICANN Staff Support to the CCWG-Accountability

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Ricardo Holmquist <rihogris at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Carlos,
> I guess there were some very long answers, without addressing the real
> issue. To change from observer to participant, other than have the time to
> interact, you must fill a SOI. If you want to be a participant you must
> sent an email to MSSI secretariat, so they can open a wiki page for you,
> and give you the instructions to create/fill the SOI.
>
> Saludos
>
> Ricardo Holmquist
>
> On Sunday, 14 August 2016, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I speak only for myself.
>>
>> I am a long standing participant at ICANN.
>>
>> In fact, I have to take the recognition that some of the modalities that
>> we work under today came from ideas that I may have sifted out from lots of
>> debates among those that were there, engaging...  but were fine tuned with
>> lots of other voices and ideas. :-)
>>
>> Recently, the ICANN community has improved on how we [the ICANN
>> community] develop the governance for ourselves at ICANN. I saw an
>> interesting exchange, so I will offer my small perspective.
>>
>> Yes, ICANN is the surrogate for harsher and more governmental
>> regulation.  We all agreed to that model, back in 1998, and we have
>> struggled to make it 'so' over these years.
>>
>> As I have said before: ISPs and others have to get an accreditation or a
>> license in a country to do business. ICANN provides an umbrella with the
>> gTLDs registries and registrars that puts them into a unique self
>> governance category. Accepting that means that ICANN enforces the
>> contracts, and the parties to the contract step up their compliance.
>>
>> BUT, when I look at the larger IG eco system, I see in my view, that
>> ICANN has to sit within that. Understanding its narrow, but critical role,
>> and functions, and understanding that it needs to show up.  this is not
>> about expansion. It is about clearly saying this is what we do. This is
>> what we do not do. BUT, we are part of IG.
>>
>> So, back to roles.
>>
>> I am an observer. If I feel so compelled to post then, I can send a
>> request to a co chair, to ask to have an individual post shared. I leave it
>> with them.
>>
>> I do want to say something about the concern that being paid is a bad
>> thing. It is not.
>> People who are paid just need to declare their funding, and recuse
>> themselves in discussions that are conflicts of interest.
>>
>> We should respect that some who participate have agendas. Let's just make
>> sure we all declare our agendas in our SOIs for the WG.
>>
>> Long ago, everytime you spoke at the public forum, you were expected to
>> say: My name is. I work for /or I am funded by, or I am affiliated with
>> XXXXXX. Then you got to speak. Somehow we lost that. :-)
>> Perhaps in the wg, we should practice what we preach:
>>
>> Introduce yourself. Don't assume that everyone knows what /who you are
>> representing.
>>
>> I value the opportunity to be an observer.
>>
>> I guess I need to say one more thing. Some have heard me. We are not
>> volunteers. We are developing standards and directly related policies. The
>> engineers that work at the IETF are not called volunteers. Those who work
>> at the ITU Study groups are not called volunteers.
>>
>> They are called members, or participants, or observers.
>>  Being a non paid participant /unaffiliated with a contracted party is an
>> additional burden but actually is a critical role, as without it, there
>> would be a possibility of a colusion of only contracted  parties and ICANN,
>> which will put the Contracted parties at great risk, and also put ICANN at
>> great risk. So, ensuring that there is user engagement is a critical
>> success factor for this model.
>>
>> I
>>
>> > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 10:31:22 -0500
>> > From: cveraq at gmail.com
>> > To: avri at apc.org; accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>> > Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Clarifying the Observer Role in the Subgroups
>> >
>> > Volunteers has different ‎faces:
>> >
>> > 1. Some are Professionals involved in the filed of work of each group
>> or sub group. Their real interest is to improve their profesional skills
>> and use the experience and material for their job or academic role. They
>> are active Participants because they work with a volunteer hat. Sometimes
>> this can be dangerous because they have enterprises or organizations they
>> work for and of course because they get paid, the volunteer and Active
>> working is a real job instead..
>> >
>> > 2. Citizens or users working in the real interest of civil Society.
>>  ‎Not always actively participating because not always have the expertise
>> or time to do so and have real Jobs to attend not related with this groups
>> so they really volunteer dedicating time and effort to actively
>> participate, even ocasionally.
>> >
>> > In my particular situation I'm in the second group and dedicate some of
>> my free time here, i'm an observer most of time until some issue like this
>> one come to me and motivate to participate.
>> >
>> > I'm in favor of No penalties for a "lack of participation" nor a prize
>> for "volunteer hat"
>> >
>> > Carlos Vera
>> > Isoc Ecuador
>> >
>> > Enviado desde mi smartphone BlackBerry 10.
>> >   Mensaje original
>> > De: avri doria
>> > Enviado: domingo, 14 de agosto de 2016 10:03
>> > Para: accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>> > Asunto: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Clarifying the Observer Role in the Subgroups
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Perhaps there is a level of participation between passive Observation
>> > and commitment to all meetings and hard work.
>> >
>> > I think this is achieved by attending calls we are interested in,
>> > marking ourselves as (observer)s and listening. I think the chat allows
>> > a form of comment that does not grab the microphone but which does allow
>> > an occasional comment. Personally I watch the schedule and figure I can
>> > AC into any meeting that interests me, but not activate my microphone
>> > when calling myslef an Observer.
>> >
>> > I think we might be sending the wrong message if we say there is a
>> > binary choice: you have to be full-in like the more dedicated
>> > participants, or sit quietly until the work is done.
>> >
>> > However, if the only penalty for weak participation is a bad attendance
>> > report, then please switch me to participant in all groups.
>> >
>> > thanks
>> > avri
>> >
>> > On 14-Aug-16 10:34, Bernard Turcotte wrote:
>> > > Greg et al.,
>> > >
>> > > Answers inserted in your questions below but it is important to note
>> > > the the role of Observers was meant to be just that:
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 10:50 PM, Greg Shatan <
>> gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>> > > <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Co-Chairs and Staff,
>> > >
>> > > We need some clarification of the Observer role in the Subgroups.
>> > >
>> > > Conceptually, are the Observers essentially "spectators" or do
>> > > they have the ability to participate in some fashion?
>> > >
>> > > Specifically:
>> > >
>> > > 1. Will Observers get call invitations?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > No - in part this is because there is no way to distinguish between
>> > > Observers and Participants on teleconferences or in Adobe - as such
>> > > if Observers were to participate in these there would be no point in
>> > > having the differentiation between Observers and Active Participants.
>> > > It is however important to note that there is no restrictions on who
>> > > can be an Active Participant or an Observer and that people can join
>> > > either or switch between them at any time. I will copy below the
>> > > published definitions of these here to remind people of the difference
>> > > between these two:
>> > >
>> > > * As an active participant who wishes to engage in the day-to-day
>> > > discussions of the particular topic. Each active participant is
>> > > expected to spend at least 3-5 hours per week on sub-group work
>> > > and will have posting rights to the mailing list.
>> > > * As an observer who wishes to follow the topic discussion but not
>> > > actively participate at the sub-group level. Observers are not
>> > > expected to spend time on sub-group work and will not have posting
>> > > rights to the mailing list.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2. Can Observers join Adobe Connect and/or phone bridge for the call?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > That is up to the rapporteurs for that group as staff will not police
>> > > this - but again since calls are being recorded, transcribed and notes
>> > > taken it was felt observers would not be deprived of any information.
>> > > 
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 3. If yes, can Observers speak and/or write in the chat, or are
>> > > they required to be silent/non-participating?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > As noted above there is no automated way of , and staff will not
>> > > police, enforcing any limitation on Observers in Adobe, as such there
>> > > is nothing which would prevent them from fully participating.
>> > > 
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 4. Do Observers receive the mailing list posts along with
>> > > everyone else?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Yes.
>> > > 
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 5. Will Observers have posting rights to the email list?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > No.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Hope this helps.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers
>> > >
>> > > B.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Clarification of these specific issues as soon as possible will be
>> > > most helpful to the functioning of the Subgroups.
>> > >
>> > > Thank you.
>> > >
>> > > Greg
>> > >
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