[CCWG-ACCT] RES: Jurisdiction Proposed Questions and Poll Results

Sat Dec 24 17:04:19 UTC 2016

Dear All,
1.Dear Pedro,
Thank you very much for your compréhensive analysis and valuable argument
as well as your vision on the fundamental and crucial issue of
Jurisdiction. As a Iran GAC Member I fully and wholeheartedly support that.
2.Dear Sam,
While I agree with the most of your views but I have certain difficultés to
isolate the Jurisdiction from the WS 2 Process due to the fact that the
process will be failed if the Jurisdiction issues is not properly dealt
with.
3.Dear Grec
Please kindly listen and hear all these objections to the multistakeholder
of on single sub region that radically against the issue of Q4and just
ignor views of their own even tough they may be  relatively numerous but
still not representing the Global Multistakeholder
4. Dear Co-Chairs,
You need to get out from silence and inattention .We have elected you to
guide this process. Other rapporteurs are SELF NOMINATED and NOT ELECTED .
Merry Christmas AND happy New Year
Kavouss

2016-12-24 16:35 GMT+01:00 Sam Lanfranco <sam at lanfranco.net>:

> I may be an isolated outlier here with regard to how to approach the core
> issue of jurisdiction within this CCWG, but I will state my view in as few
> words as possible. Jurisdiction will remain a major issue whether this CCWG
> includes, or excludes, jurisdiction as a question on its questionnaire, and
> whether or not it tries to address the issue of jurisdiction within this
> CCWG’s deliberations.
>
> In many ways ICANN is a new form hybrid organization, with its
> multistakeholder policy making process, and with its global DNS policy
> remit. The jurisdiction issues run both wide and deep, and are not issues
> of simply finding the right “residence” for ICANN.  They are about how do
> we (all stakeholders including governments) figure out how to handle the
> jurisdiction related issues posed by ICANN’s multistakeholder policy making
> structures, and its global DNS policy remit. What lessons can we drawn on
> from experience, and what needs to be cut from whole cloth (i.e.,
> innovated)?
>
> While I have no objections to jurisdiction being addressed inside this
> Accountability CCWG, I do not see this CCWG as an adequate venue for such
> an important issue. The work required to address it properly means that
> such a dialogue should take place in a venue (CCWG, whatever) devoted
> specifically to the jurisdiction issue. This CCWG could start the process
> by recognizing that, stating that the issue warrants its own CCWG (or
> whatever), and pressing for rapid movement in that direction. I could
> elaborate on each of the above points but I hope that the message is pretty
> clear. The rationale for such an approach almost self-evident.
>
> Sam Lanfranco, NPOC/csih
>
>
> On 12/24/2016 9:53 AM, Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva wrote:
>
> Dear CCWG-colleagues,
>
> After reading some comments in this email thread, I must admit to be
> really disappointed.
>
>
> Some of our colleagues in the CCWG seem to have forgotten - perhaps on
> purpose - that the topic of jurisdiction was allocated to WS2 as a result
> of a postponement, since the majority of this group thought it was not
> appropriate to deal with it in the pre-transition period due to time
> constraints. My government  was not in favor of postponing the discussion
> on jurisdiction, as we consider it was – and remains – a fundamental aspect
> of a new ICANN truly governed by the multistakeholder community without any
> pre-conditions,  but in respect to the viewpoint of the other colleagues,
> we agreed to move it to WS2.
>
> Now that time has come to properly deal with this topic, it is quite
> frustrating to notice that some participants  insist on limiting and/or
> procrastinating this debate, including by using the absurd argument that
> any discussion around jurisdiction cannot put into question any aspect
> already decided in WS1, which is embedded in the California law. We cannot
> see good faith in that kind of circular argument.
>
>  In our view, the  discussion around the inclusion or exclusion of Q.4
> shows quite clearly that some of those who have fiercely objected to any
> jurisdiction debate during WS1 are  maintaining their objection in WS2 as
> well. On that particular topic (Q.4) we concur with the view that upon
> deciding on institutional arrangements we should not only consider already
> occurred cases but also take into account logically strong possibilities.
> The responses to the questionnaire should thus help us to deal with all
> possibilities associate to jurisdiction. In case any unsubstantiated
> opinion will be received, it should be summarily discarded.
>
> From the various jurisdiction calls it became quite evident that a
> substantial part of the subgroup - mainly non-US - has great interest in
> examining and debating ways through which we can make sure that any issue
> associated to jurisdiction  be addressed in a way compatible  with the
> company's international remit of coordinating Internet public identifiers.
> In that context, I would like to highlight my government´s understanding
> that although the proposed questionnaire under discussion may provide us
> with some relevant factual information, it does not in any way cover all
> aspects of interest. We would like to refer, for example, to the list of
> issues compiled by Kavouss Arasteh as per his 13 December 2016 e-mail. We
> would also refer to questions that have continuously been asked by
> Parminder, apparently without any satisfactory answer. Those issues and
> questions include, for example, dispute settlement related topics, which
> demonstrates, in our view, that jurisdiction cannot be seen purely from
> businesses´ viewpoint. As someone has stated, we also need to look at the
> relationship between ICANN and third parties and adequately consider
> non-contracted Parties that might be affected by ICANN´s acts and/or
> omissions.
>
> From the perspective of the Brazilian government, the topics raised by
> Kavouss, Parminder and others are issues of particular interest  which,
> needless to say, will not be adequately addressed through the mere analysis
> of the answers provided to the questionnaire, whether it includes Q.4 or
> not.
>  My government has  expressed its interest in pursuing discussion on
> jurisdiction through those angles  many times – both  during the IANA
> transition process and  well before that. Other governments have done the
> same, as well as a sound number of civil society organizations around the
> globe. The "NETmundial Multistakeholder Statement", while calling for the
> internationalization of ICANN, clearly expresses this as well. Let me
> emphasize, by the way, that the NETmundial Statement calls for ICANN´s
> internationalization and not for it to become an intergovernmental
> organization. Those are two different notions that should not be confounded.
>
>
> If this subgroup fails to deal with the multidimensional issues associated
> to jurisdiction  properly , it may be applauded by some segments , but it
> will not contribute to putting in place a framework that will ensure the
> shared goal of making ICANN a legitimate  entity in the eyes of all
> stakeholders, including governments. To achieve that, no issues should be
> discarded as "non important" or "not yet verified". While preserving the
> essence of what was achieved in WS1, innovative thinking, including on the
> part of persons with legal expertise, will be needed. Is it worth to wipe
> an important debate under the carpet just to comfort one or a few
> stakeholder groups while discontenting others? What kind of legitimacy is
> such a biased and limited exercise likely to have within the international
> community? .
>
> It is time the subgroup - including the coChairs - make a honest
> assessment of the various viewpoints related to  ICANN's jurisdiction and
> conduct the debate as openly as possible in order to address all the
> concerns and interests behind it.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Sec. Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva
> Division of Information Society
> Ministry of Foreign Affairs - Brazil
> T: +55 61 2030-6609 <+55%2061%202030-6609>
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