[CCWG-ACCT] what the Board is objecting to here -

Fri Feb 19 19:10:14 UTC 2016

Dear All,
>From the very begining I was in favour of 4 SO/AC for removal of the Board
in any case.
Regards
Kavouss

2016-02-19 20:00 GMT+01:00 James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net>:

> And that’s a fair concern, the question is how do we alleviate that
> concern while maintain the core principles of the carve out as designed and
> agreed?
>
> -jg
>
> From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of
> "Burr, Becky" <Becky.Burr at neustar.biz>
> Date: Friday 19 February 2016 at 6:55 p.m.
> To: Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>, 'Phil
> Corwin' <psc at vlaw-dc.com>, 'Greg Shatan' <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>,
> 'Kavouss Arasteh' <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>
> Cc: 'Thomas Rickert' <thomas at rickert.net>, "
> accountability-cross-community at icann.org" <
> accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] what the Board is objecting to here -
>
> Just for the sake of absolute precision, I think the Board’s point is that
> the carve out – and hence the 3 SO/AC threshold – could apply where an IRP
> determines that the Board’s actions in response to GAC Advice contravene
> the Bylaws.  I think what worries the Board is that the notion that the
> Board could be recalled by 3 SO/AC combination for action that DOES NOT
> contravene the Bylaws.
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> From: Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>
> Date: Friday, February 19, 2016 at 1:15 PM
> To: 'Phil Corwin' <psc at vlaw-dc.com>, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>,
> Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>
> Cc: 'Thomas Rickert' <thomas at rickert.net>, Accountability Community <
> accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Carve-out issue
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> +1
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> *From:* Phil Corwin [mailto:psc at vlaw-dc.com <psc at vlaw-dc.com>]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 12:52 PM
> *To:* Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>; Kavouss Arasteh <
> kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Thomas Rickert <thomas at rickert.net>;
> accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Carve-out issue
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>
> Greg:
>
>
>
> Assuming that the new Board position is indeed a response to a minority
> position of a few GAC members, I am in full agreement that it “should serve
> as a warning to us all”.
>
>
>
> Indeed, it emphasizes exactly why the GAC should not be able to block the
> community’s ability to hold the Board accountable for implementing GAC
> consensus advice that the community feels is outside the scope of the
> Bylaws or Mission Statement.
>
>
>
> Best. Philip
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> *From:*accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org [
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> <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Greg
> Shatan
> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 12:38 PM
> *To:* Kavouss Arasteh
> *Cc:* accountability-cross-community at icann.org; Thomas Rickert
> *Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Carve-out issue
>
>
>
> It is alarming that a few GAC members could seek to undo a carefully
> balanced compromise.  And even more alarming that those few GAC members
> could so quickly trigger a Board intervention.
>
>
>
> The carve-out is balanced against the concerns of other stakeholders with
> regard to (i) the proposed supermajority threshold for Board rejection of
> GAC advice and (ii) the GAC's overall role as a decisional participant in
> the Empowered Community, rather than its traditional advisory capacity.
> The carve-out itself underwent a compromise, requiring the Community to go
> through an IRP before exercising the power of Board recall.
>
>
>
> When one pulls on one end of a compromise, the other end tends to move as
> well.
>
>
>
> Do other stakeholders need to send countervailing warnings?  Will the
> Board respond as quickly? Do we want to find out?
>
>
>
> I think this extraordinary response to a minority report should serve as a
> warning to us all.
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Kavouss Arasteh <
> kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Please kindly confirm and acknowledge recipt of wanrning message
>
> Regards
>
> Kavouss
>
>
>
> 2016-02-19 18:10 GMT+01:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>:
>
> Dear Co-chairs
>
> You have seen the concerns of 11 Governments which would certainly be
> echoed by other gouvernements soon.
>
> This is an ALARMING SITUATION ,
>
> If there is no consensus means there is no consensus ,
>
> We could not favour one community in disfavouring another one.
>
> Perhaps it was hoped that the people could join the consensus but it does
> not come up as such
>
> If a mistake has occurred we should repair it .
>
> Howmany times we have changed our concept from Voluntry Model to Sole
> member from Sole Member to Sole designator .
>
> THE ISSUE IS CRITICAL
>
> Pls do not rush to publish the report as being sent to the chartering
> organization just hold on for few more days untill your 26 feb. calls
>
> Try to find out some solution including going back to the initial stage of
> REC. 11 without no carve-out and with two options of simple majority and
> 2/3 theshold  and rediscuss that.
>
> You can not ignor the growing concerns of several governments and would
> certainly be further grown up soon
>
> Regards
>
> Kavouss
>
>
>
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