[CCWG-ACCT] Poll results
Salaets, Ken
ksalaets at itic.org
Tue Feb 23 14:50:03 UTC 2016
Roelof et al., if there wasn't consensus for including the second 'exception,' then where did it come from and why was it included in the 19 Feb. draft? This is what's perplexing.
Second, the co-chairs and CCWG process clearly aren't following anything close to the classic sense of the term 'consensus,' but frankly, it is nigh impossible to determine what metric is being followed. Indeed, one could easily get the impression we are embracing a floating definition, so to speak, the metric for which is convenience rather than consistency. Hence, it sets the table for confusion and second-guessing, both of which are bait for those inclined to question this entire endeavor.
I agree with the expressions of frustration voiced here, i.e., that process violations are allowed on a frequent basis and then unevenly, with some voices deemed 'louder' than others. I am not arguing for or against the merits of this particular latest debate, mind you, but when the process being employed comes across as 'winging it' - or worse - it raises inevitable questions regarding the overall integrity of this important exercise.
I greatly admire the endurance of everyone involved, including and especially the co-chairs. I would only urge you, however, to absolutely ensure that every participant and organization engaged in this activity is held to the same standard. Doing anything less will make the outcome all the more difficult to justify and defend here in Washington.
Happy Tuesday.
Ken
> On Feb 23, 2016, at 8:50 AM, Roelof Meijer <Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl> wrote:
>
> Where it leaves us, I think is clear. We just follow our common practice:
> if we have no (rough) consensus on inserting a particular clause or
> solution in our proposal, we do not put it in. Item (2) was inserted a few
> weeks ago, we do not have anything close to rough consensus to support
> that. So it should be taken out.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Roelof
>
>
>
>
> On 23-02-16 12:39, "accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org on
> behalf of Dr Eberhard W Lisse"
> <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org on behalf of
> el at lisse.na> wrote:
>
>> Grace,
>>
>> thank you.
>>
>> Dear Co-Chairs,
>>
>> As mentioned in the chat I had to leave after one hour (of which 22
>> were taken by a summary, for which I expected an Executive Summary of
>> 2 minutes or less, by the way) as I have to work for a living.
>>
>> Just for the record, sending it to the SOs is not the same as
>> supporting it, hence your careful language reflects my proxy with the
>> exception of Poll 4 where he only polled as participant but should
>> have also polled my member proxy in favor of submitting as is.
>>
>> That said, it is disturbing that 11 Board members and even staff
>> participated in the poll.
>>
>> Never mind the expected outcome from the ACs.
>>
>> It is however clear that we do NOT have Consensus as required by our
>> Charter.
>>
>> So, where does this leave us?
>>
>> el
>>
>>
>>> On 2016-02-23 12:26, Grace Abuhamad wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To ensure full transparency around the polling, the staff have
>>> reviewed the recording for the call and crosschecked the results.
>>> The Adobe Connect recording is available here for your viewing as
>>> well: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/p2ner13u4kd/.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please note that the instructions regarding participation in the polls
>>> were as follows:
>>>
>>> · Anyone on the call was invited to participate in the poll
>>> (members & participants).
>>>
>>> · To participate, participants in the Adobe Connect room used
>>> either a red or green tick to respond to the poll question.
>>>
>>> · Those on audio-only could express their position over the phone.
>>>
>>> · After the polls, analysis would be conducted to assess
>>> participation from CCWG members (for the purposes of these results, the
>>> members¹ names are in bold font).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Chairs conducted four polls in a group that varied between 85-90
>>> participants. The text used as the basis for the polls is Paragraph
>>> 72 of the CCWG report (see attached slide for the text as well as
>>> the 2^nd bullet highlighted in red). The first two poll questions
>>> were based on objections and the second two poll questions were
>>> based on expressions of support.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Summary of results: *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> · 11 objections to removing the 2^nd bullet in Paragraph 72 (in red
>>> on the slide)
>>>
>>> o (2 CCWG member objections)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> · 27 objections to sending the report forward as it is currently,
>>> with the full text in Paragraph 72
>>>
>>> o (8 CCWG member objections, including all ALAC members)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> · 36 support removing the language in the 2^nd bullet in Paragraph
>>> 72 (in red on the slide)
>>>
>>> o (10 CCWG members supporting)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> · 14 support sending the report forward as it is currently, with
>>> the full text in Paragraph 72
>>>
>>> o (2 CCWG members supporting)
>>>
>>>
>>> *Detailed results: *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Poll #1* Who objects to removing the 2^nd bullet in Paragraph 72 (in
>>> red on the slide), (³If the IRP is not available to challenge the Board
>>> action in question²)?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. Brett Schaefer (NCSG Participant)
>>>
>>> 2. Edward Morris (NCSG Participant)
>>>
>>> 3. Farzaneh Badii (NCSG Participant)
>>>
>>> 4. James Gannon (NCSG Participant)
>>>
>>> 5. Malcolm Hutty (ISPCP Participant)
>>>
>>> 6. Milton Mueller (NCSG Participant)
>>>
>>> 7. Paul Rosenzweig (NCSG Participant)
>>>
>>> 8. *Robin Gross*(NCSG Member)
>>>
>>> 9. Stephen Deerhake (ccNSO Participant)
>>>
>>> 10.Tatiana Tropina (NCSG Participant)
>>>
>>> 11.*Eberhard Lisse*(ccNSO Member)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Poll #2* Who objects to sending the report forward (to Chartering
>>> Organizations) as it is currently, (i.e. the 19 February version with
>>> the full text in Paragraph 72)?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. *Alan Greenberg*(ALAC Member)
>>>
>>> 2. Asha Hemrajani (ICANN Board Participant)
>>>
>>> 3. Cherine Chalaby (ICANN Board Participant)
>>>
>>> 4. *Cheryl Langdon-Orr*(ALAC Member)
>>>
>>> 5. Chris Disspain (ICANN Board Participant)
>>>
>>> 6. David McAuley (GNSO Participant)
>>>
>>> 7. Fadi Chehade (ICANN Board Participant)
>>>
>>> 8. George Sadowsky (ICANN Board Participant)
>>>
>>> 9. Jorge Cancio (GAC Participant)
>>>
>>> 10.*Julia Wolman*(GAC Member)
>>>
>>> 11.Keith Drazek (RySG Participant)
>>>
>>> 12.*Leon Sanchez*(ALAC Member)
>>>
>>> 13.Lito Ibarra (ICANN Board Participant)
>>>
>>> 14.Louisewies Van del Laan (ICANN Board Participant)
>>>
>>> 15.Markus Kummer (ICANN Board Participant)
>>>
>>> 16.*Olga Cavalli*(GAC Member)
>>>
>>> 17.Olivier Crepin-Leblond (ALAC Participant)
>>>
>>> 18.Pedro da Silva (GAC Participant)
>>>
>>> 19.Rafael Perez Galindo (GAC Participant)
>>>
>>> 20.Rinalia Abdul Rahim (ICANN Board Participant)
>>>
>>> 21.*Roelof Meijer*(ccNSO Member)
>>>
>>> 22.Ron da Silva (ICANN Board Participant)
>>>
>>> 23.Samantha Eisner (ICANN Staff Liaison)
>>>
>>> 24.Seun Ojedeji (ALAC Participant)
>>>
>>> 25.Steve Crocker (ICANN Board Participant)
>>>
>>> 26.*Sebastien Bachollet*(ALAC Member)
>>>
>>> 27.Stephen Deerhake (ccNSO Participant)
>>>
>>> 28.Tarek Kamel (ICANN Staff Participant)
>>>
>>> 29.*Tijani Ben Jemaa*(ALAC Member)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Poll #3* Who supports removing the language in the 2^nd bullet in
>>> Paragraph 72 (in red on the slide), (³If the IRP is not available to
>>> challenge the Board action in question²)?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. *Alan**Greenberg* (ALAC Member)
>>>
>>> 2. Annaliese Williams (GAC Participant)
>>>
>>> 3. Asha Hemrajani (ICANN Board Participant)
>>>
>>> 4. Avri Doria (NCSG Participant)
>>>
>>> 5. Cherine Chalaby (ICANN Board Participant)
>>>
>>> 6. *Cheryl Langdon-Orr*(ALAC Member)
>>>
>>> 7. Chris Disspain (ICANN Board Participant)
>>>
>>> 8. David McAuley (GNSO Participant)
>>>
>>> 9. Fadi Chehade (ICANN Board Participant)
>>>
>>> 10.Finn Petersen (GAC Participant)
>>>
>>> 11.George Sadowsky (ICANN Board Participant)
>>>
>>> 12.Greg Shatan (IPC Participant)
>>>
>>> 13.*James Bladel*(RrSG Member)
>>>
>>> 14.*Julia**Wolman* (GAC Member)
>>>
>>> 15.Kavouss Arasteh (GAC Participant)
>>>
>>> 16.Keith Drazek (RySG Participant)
>>>
>>> 17.*Leon**Sanchez* (ALAC Member)
>>>
>>> 18.Lito Ibarra (ICANN Board Participant)
>>>
>>> 19.Louisewies Van del Laan (ICANN Board Participant)
>>>
>>> 20.Mark Carvell (GAC Participant)
>>>
>>> 21.Markus Kummer (ICANN Board Participant)
>>>
>>> 22.Mary Uduma (ccNSO Participant)
>>>
>>> 23.Niels Ten Oever (Participant)
>>>
>>> 30.*Olga**Cavalli* (GAC Member)
>>>
>>> 24.Olivier Crepin-Leblond (ALAC Participant)
>>>
>>> 25.Paul Szyndler (ccNSO Participant)
>>>
>>> 26.Pedro da Silva (GAC Participant)
>>>
>>> 31.Rafael Perez Galindo (GAC Participant)
>>>
>>> 27.Rinalia Abdul Rahim (ICANN Board Participant)
>>>
>>> 28.*Roelof**Meijer* (ccNSO Member)
>>>
>>> 29.Ron da Silva (ICANN Board Participant)
>>>
>>> 30.Sabine Meyer (GAC Participant)
>>>
>>> 31.Seun Ojedeji (ALAC Participant)
>>>
>>> 32.Steve Crocker (ICANN Board Participant)
>>>
>>> 33.*Steve DelBianco*(CSG Member)
>>>
>>> 34.*Sebastien**Bachollet* (ALAC Member)
>>>
>>> 35.Tarek Kamel (ICANN Staff)
>>>
>>> 36.*Tijani**Ben Jemaa* (ALAC Member)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Poll #4* Who supports sending the report to Chartering Organizations
>>> as it is currently, (i.e. the 19 February version with the full text in
>>> Paragraph 72)?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. Aarti Bhavana (NCSG Participant)
>>>
>>> 2. Brett Schaefer (NCSG Participant)
>>>
>>> 3. Edward Morris (NCSG Participant)
>>>
>>> 4. Farzaneh Badii (NCSG Participant)
>>>
>>> 5. James Gannon (NCSG Participant)
>>>
>>> 6. *Jordan Carter*(ccNSO Member)
>>>
>>> 7. Martin Boyle (ccNSO Participant)
>>>
>>> 8. Matthew Shears (NCSG Participant)
>>>
>>> 9. Malcolm Hutty (ISPCP Participant)
>>>
>>> 10.Milton Mueller (NCSG Participant)
>>>
>>> 11.Paul Rosenzweig (NCSG Participant)
>>>
>>> 12.*Robin**Gross* (NCSG Member)
>>>
>>> 13.Stephen Deerhake (ccNSO Participant)
>>>
>>> 14.Tatiana Tropina (NCSG Participant)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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