[CCWG-ACCT] Deck for Meeting #75 Mission Statement discussion

Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch
Thu Jan 7 15:47:59 UTC 2016


Dear Mathieu

that is consistent with my recollection. Was there any outreach to ICANN Legal? And, will there be a follow-up?

@Milton: I just informed on the full GAC input on this issue, which I feel should be read in its entirety.

@Kavouss: I guess Mathieu's email answers your question

regards

Jorge

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Am 07.01.2016 um 16:37 schrieb Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr<mailto:mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>>:


Dear Jorge, All,



This was indeed discussed during the December 15 meeting. The transcript is attached and I paste below the excerpt of the concluding remarks :


Conclusions (excerpt from transcript)

So yes you definitely raised a very valid point. And I as I said when replying to (Malcolm) this is of course no easy task. So yes indeed I don’t think that we should be actually looking in a very detailed way.

And that’s why I suggest once again to continue the discussion off-line and of course reach out to ICANN legal and then from there may be continue shaping the question for our council to actually have something to work on.

So if we are agree then I think that the first it would be to actually reach out to ICANN legal to see whether there are if any is some PICs that might be considered as typical and of course considering all these side issues or condiments as you could say that Chris has added to the equation.

So at this point I would like to ask for any other comments or questions on this issue. And if there are no further comments or questions then I would turn back to my co-chair Mathieu for the next agenda item.



I am not aware of any new developments or inputs from Icann Legal since then. Thanks to Alice for doing the research.



Best

Mathieu



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Hi Becky



that piece was more for the Co-Chairs to answer.



Notwithstanding personal positions I recall a decision being taken, and as far as I remember it was to formulate the question in more specific terms after consulting with ICANN Legal.



So I would very much appreciate any info on this from the Co-Chairs.



regards



Jorge



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Am 07.01.2016 um 15:56 schrieb Burr, Becky <Becky.Burr at neustar.biz<mailto:Becky.Burr at neustar.biz<mailto:Becky.Burr at neustar.biz%3cmailto:Becky.Burr at neustar.biz>>>:



Jorge,



I personally have been clear and consistent in my view that we were not asking the lawyers a question that can lead to a useful legal opinion.  I believe that Holly concurred in my view that we would spend a lot of money and learn that the answer depends on the facts in any specific situation, none of which can be predicted in advance.  I know that you and others continue to believe that there is some value in this, but as someone who has been on the receiving end of questions like that, I think would be a tremendous waste of ICANN resources.



That said, I’m not the decision-maker here, just offering an opinion.



Becky



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Subject: AW: Deck for Meeting #75 Mission Statement discussion



Dear Becky, dear Co-Chairs and dear all,



For info: this is the full text of the GAC consensus input of December 21st on recommendation 5:



Changing aspects of ICANN’s Mission. Commitments and Core Values (RECOMMENDATION 5)



The GAC notes that legal advice is being sought by the CCWG to clarify the practical effect of this Recommendation, and believes this is appropriate.



The GAC expects that any changes will not reduce the current role of the GAC in providing advice on the activities of ICANN as they relate to concerns of governments, particularly matters where there may be an interaction between ICANN’s policies and various laws and international agreements or where they may affect public policy issues (as provided in the current ByLaws). This includes issues such as consumer protection, the respect for fundamental rights and freedoms and law enforcement.



The GAC further expects that changes to ICANN’s mission and core values should not constrain the Board from accepting and implementing GAC advice. In addition, ICANN’s ability to enforce contractual obligations and act upon the public policy advice of the GAC should not be inadvertently impacted.



==



And: what happened with the question to the lawyers which we decided to formulate to the lawyers on this very issue last December? Could you please inform on the status of this question?



Regards



Jorge



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Is attached in DRAFT FORM.  Anything missing or wrong should be attributed to incompetence rather than conspiracy.  I am still working on questions in 1 section.  I will also shortly resend a variety of previously circulated resource documents.

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