[CCWG-ACCT] Recommendation 4 - power to remove Individual Board director - 1st reading conclusions

Fri Jan 8 13:56:06 UTC 2016

Distinguished colleagues,

I am not a native English speaker, but reading this thread, I have the 
impression that “comprehensive and written rationale” might address the 
concern raised by Alan, while avoiding the (unexpressed) concern that the 
rationale would be an empty declaration, within which the “real” arguments 
would actually not be found ?

Best,

Mathieu

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[mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] De la part de Greg 
Shatan
Envoyé : jeudi 7 janvier 2016 22:26
À : Steve Crocker
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Objet : Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Recommendation 4 - power to remove Individual Board 
director - 1st reading conclusions

Speaking of pedants, the late, great William Safire wrote about this (albeit 
not fulsomely) a few years ago: 
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/22/magazine/22wwln-safire-t.html?_r=0

The "Grammarphobia Blog" has also weighed in: 
http://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2014/11/fulsome.html

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 6:11 AM, Steve Crocker <steve at shinkuro.com> wrote:

I'm merely a pedant-in-passing, so I'll offer this response but not engage 
further.

I suspect you were taught as I was that "fulsome" was a strongly negative 
term despite its seemingly positive composition.  Over the last few decades, 
its usage has shifted, and I now see it used in a positive sense.  I think 
it's become genuinely ambiguous, like "biannual," and I avoid using it 
myself.  But it's not a big deal because the intended meaning is usually 
clear from the context.  For reference see

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/fulsome

Steve

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 7, 2016, at 4:08 AM, Nigel Roberts <nigel at channelisles.net> wrote:

As pedant-in-residence, I object to the word 'fulsome' in any event.

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means".

complimentary or flattering to an excessive degree.

"they are almost embarrassingly fulsome in their appreciation"

synonyms:    excessive, extravagant, overdone, immoderate, inordinate, 
over-appreciative, flattering, adulatory, fawning, unctuous, ingratiating, 
cloying, saccharine; enthusiastic, effusive, rapturous, glowing, gushing, 
profuse, generous, lavish;

informalover the top, smarmy

adj.

1. Excessively flattering or insincerely earnest. See Synonyms at unctuous.

2. Disgusting or offensive: "With the stink of decaying corpses so near her 
cave ... suddenly she felt overpowered by the fulsome reek" (Jean Auel).

3. Usage Problem Copious or abundant.

[Middle English fulsom, abundant, well-fed, arousing disgust : ful, full; 
see FULL1 + -som, adj. suff.; see -SOME1.]

fulsome·ly adv.

fulsome·ness n.

Usage Note: The original meaning of fulsome was "copious, abundant." But 
fulsome is now most often used of remarks that involve excessive praise or 
ingratiating flattery, as in Their fulsome compliments were viewed as an 
awkward attempt at winning approval. This narrower application of the word 
has become its sole meaning for many educated speakers, to the point where a 
large majority of the Usage Panel disapproves of the use of fulsome to mean 
simply "full" or "copious." In our 2012 survey, only 19 percent accepted the 
use of fulsome as a synonym of full in the sentence You can adjust the TV's 
audio settings for a more fulsome bass in movie soundtracks. Use of the word 
as a synonym of copious or expansive found only slightly more takers—21 
percent accepted The final report will furnish a more detailed and fulsome 
discussion of the issues involved. The use of fulsome as a simple synonym of 
praising without a clear indication of inordinacy or insincerity split the 
Panel n!

early dow
n
the middle, with 55 percent accepting the example The research director 
claimed that the product was a major advance that would improve Web access 
for everyone, and the marketing VP was equally fulsome in her remarks. Thus 
it may be best to avoid fulsome except where the context unambiguously 
conveys the idea that the praise in question is excessive or fawning.

On 01/06/2016 10:51 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote:

I have a concern and resultant question (directed at any Directors who

choose to reply) regarding the phrase "A petition must be supported by a

fulsome and written rationale stating the reasons why removal is sought."

Let me create a scenario. Directors are chosen by an SO or At-Large not

because they will "represent" the appointing body, but (among other

reasons) because there is a general belief that the candidate espouses

beliefs and standards similar to those held by those who are selecting

the Board member. This is a VERY subjective decision, and not one that

is particularly provable.

If, as time unfolds, those involved with the appointing body

overwhelmingly come to feel that the judgement was either incorrect, or

more pointedly, if it were to be made again, the candidate would NOT be

selected, would expressing this satisfy the "fulsome rationale"?

Alan

At 06/01/2016 09:02 AM, Mathieu Weill wrote:

Dear Colleagues,

Please find below the main conclusions of our deliberations during

call #74. The updated document is attached.

a.            to mitigate risk of litigation in case of Board removal,

pre-service letters for Board members could be required (see paragraph

39 page 9)

b.            a written rationale will be offered very early in the

process

c. Lawyers are tasked to provide adequate language to provide adequate

direction for implementation.

POST MEETING NOTE :

This version includes edits to incorporate comments from the Icann

Board (section 3c – page 12 of the Icann Board comment) that were not

included in the previous version (thanks to Kavouss for drawing our

attention to this). Each of these comments were considered as useful

directions for implementation. (see paragraphs 41 and 48)

2^nd reading is planned during next Tuesday’s call.

Best,

--

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