[CCWG-ACCT] Lawyers' High Level Review: Annexes 1, 8, 9, 10, 11
Kavouss Arasteh
kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
Mon Jan 25 14:54:46 UTC 2016
Dear Sir,
Yes , if and only if the Board,s decision is INCONSISTENT with or in violation of Bylaws?!!!!
Regards
Kavouss
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> On 25 Jan 2016, at 15:48, Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Kavouss
>
> No IRP will review GAC advice. But the community did agree (overwhelmingly)
> that IRP review would apply to Board decisions in response to GAC advice,
> which is, of course, exactly what Malcolm posits ...
>
> Paul
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kavouss Arasteh [mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 9:45 AM
> To: Malcolm Hutty <malcolm at linx.net>
> Cc: Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>; Paul Rosenzweig
> <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>; ICANN <ICANN at adlercolvin.com>;
> Thomas Rickert <thomas at rickert.net>;
> accountability-cross-community at icann.org; acct-staff at icann.org; Sidley ICANN
> CCWG <sidleyicannccwg at sidley.com>; Greeley, Amy E. <AGreeley at sidley.com>;
> Grapsas, Rebecca <rebecca.grapsas at sidley.com>
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Lawyers' High Level Review: Annexes 1, 8, 9, 10, 11
>
> Dear All,
> Perhaps people totally forgotten that NO IRP SHALL BE INVOKED BY THE
> COMMUNITY.
> FOR GAC ADVICE.
> This has been discussed and confirmed .pls refer ti WP 2 and CCWG previous
> NOTES and REPORTS Regards Kavouss
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 25 Jan 2016, at 10:57, Malcolm Hutty <malcolm at linx.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 24/01/2016 21:32, Greg Shatan wrote:
>>> Paul,
>>>
>>> I was halfway through writing an email that said exactly that.
>>>
>>> This may be due to the lawyers re-interpreting "duly taken into account"
>>> in a way that I don't agree with and which I think is incorrect.
>>
>> I also agree that this would be a substantial change.
>>
>> To support that, I would ask you to consider the follow, not unlikely,
>> scenario.
>>
>> The GAC has advised the Board to do something, but what it has advised
>> is not entirely clearly, and there is certainly ambiguity as to how it
>> might be implemented. The Board has then done something. A materially
>> affected party, unhappy with the Board's action and preferring an
>> alternative that would take a more extreme view of the GAC advice,
>> challenges the action in the IRP. The Board takes the view that it has
>> taken the GAC's advice into account and that what it has done is
>> reasonably consistent with the GAC advice; the complainant argues that
>> the action was not consistent with it.
>>
>> If the IRP finds that factually the complainant is correct to allege
>> that the Board's action was not consisistent with the GAC advice, what
>> is the consequence of that? It seems to vary according to which
>> standard we choose:
>>
>> - If the current standard applies, that the Board "duly take into
>> account" GAC advice, the IRP may still find that the Board did do that:
>> since they noted the GAC's advice, considered it, and believed (albeit
>> incorrectly) that what they were doing constituted a reasonably
>> implementation of it, it is hard to say they did not meet this standard.
>> The IRP will however order the Board that to bring itself back into
>> compliance with the bylaws it must notify the GAC that it has acted
>> inconsistently, and try to find a mutually acceptable solution. The
>> action, however, may stand: a solution need not necessarily involve
>> cancelling the action, but might be found through supplementing the
>> action with another.
>>
>> - If Holly's standard applies, that the Board "must not act
>> inconsistently" with GAC advice, then the mere finding that the Board
>> has acted inconsistently invalidates that decision. The action must be
>> quashed, if it is possible to do so; failure to do so would consistute
>> perpetuating the bylaws breach.
>>
>> This is a material change, that may significantly affect the outcome.
>>
>> Personally, I do not believe this change is needed or desirable. For
>> that reason, I respectfully disagree with accepting Holly's advice on
>> this particular case.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Malcolm.
>>
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