[CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability - Preparing for WS2

[Greg Shatan]

Bernie,

That was quite clear in my note (please see the last sentence).  My
concerns stand.

Without a transcription, the only method for catching up on a particular
meeting is listening to the entire recording (which is more time consuming
than reviewing a transcript) and without notes, the only way to review what
happened over a series of meetings are skeletal "action items" (or again,
listening or re-listening to a recording).

Greg

On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Bernard Turcotte <
turcotte.bernard at gmail.com> wrote:

> Greg,
>
> Just to be clear recordings of all calls will continue to be made
> available after each call of each group.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Cheers.
>
> B.
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:14 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm more concerned about a different area of (lack of) support:
>>
>> "No note taking by staff, beyond action items, and no transcriptions."
>>
>> This will make it more difficult to keep the thread of our work going
>> from week to week.
>>
>> I think we may have relied too heavily on staff drafting of the actual
>> report in Work Stream 1.  While I don't necessarily relish substantial
>> drafting responsibilities, it's important that the end product be the work
>> of the community.  The staff (and in particular Bernie) did an amazing job,
>> but it still felt like an odd "intermediation" at times.
>>
>> Meeting notes and transcriptions are important tools in getting to that
>> point.  Hopefully, the action items will be sufficiently detailed to allow
>> a meeting's results to be comprehensible to those that miss that call, but
>> something will be lost when the sole record of that meeting is a recording
>> and a bullet-point list of "action items."
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 6:29 AM, Finn Petersen <FinPet at erst.dk> wrote:
>>
>>> I fully support the idea from Jorge.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Finn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Fra:* accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
>>> accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] *På vegne af *
>>> Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch
>>> *Sendt:* 30. maj 2016 12:13
>>> *Til:* turcotte.bernard at gmail.com;
>>> accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>>> *Emne:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability - Preparing for WS2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear co-chairs, dear all
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I was finally having a look at these documents and an apparent
>>> inconsistency struck my eye: on the one hand, it is foreseen that the
>>> subgroups will do the „heavy lifting“ including drafting etc.. But, on the
>>> other hand, the subgroup members are expected to draft their own documents.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This could delegate and impose probably too much of a burden on the
>>> volunteers and have also undesired side-effects on the inclusiveness and
>>> diversity of the subgroups and their outputs, as drafting is not only
>>> extremely time intensive –a resource which is unequally distributed- but
>>> also requires native or near-native English writing skills.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hence, I would advocate a more balanced approach, with our professional
>>> and neutral staff still taking care of the drafting of each subgroups’ key
>>> documents (e.g. initial issues description, scoping paper, draft output
>>> docs, output doc, etc) as a general rule – with subgroup participants
>>> taking over documents that have a more contingent/ad hoc character.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope this may be agreeable to all
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jorge
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Von:* accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org [
>>> mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
>>> <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>] *Im Auftrag von *Bernard
>>> Turcotte
>>> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 25. Mai 2016 18:21
>>> *An:* Accountability Cross Community <
>>> accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
>>> *Betreff:* [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability - Preparing for WS2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As the work on the Bylaws comes to a close, we have spent some time
>>> preparing and thinking through Work Stream 2. Our official Work Stream 2
>>> kick-off is on Sunday 26 June at ICANN56 in Helsinki. To prepare for the
>>> kick off, we would like to have a plenary CCWG-Accountability next week
>>> on Tuesday 31 May at 19:00 UTC. The proposed agenda for the call is as
>>> follows:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Agenda for CCWG meeting on 31 May at 19:00 UTC:*
>>>
>>> 1. Opening Remarks
>>>
>>> 2. Budget discussion
>>>
>>> 3. Preparation for WS2 kickoff in Helsinki
>>>
>>> ·         What to do before Helsinki
>>>
>>> ·         What are next steps (after Helsinki)
>>>
>>> 4. AOB
>>>
>>> 5. Closing Remarks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Attached you will find a presentation on the budget that we have
>>> prepared with the help of Bernard Turcotte and ICANN staff in their Project
>>> Costing Support Team function. We will need to submit this budget to the
>>> ICANN Board for their consideration and approval before the start of FY17
>>> in July. As you will see from the presentation, there are a few areas that
>>> we may want to discuss as a full group before submitting our proposal.
>>> Please initiate the discussion on the CCWG-Accountability list, and we’ll
>>> continue the discussion on the call.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You will also find attached a presentation on preparing the WS2 kickoff
>>> in Helsinki.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Mathieu, Thomas, Leon
>>>
>>> *CCWG-Accountability co-Chairs*
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Accountability-Cross-Community at icann.org
>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community
>>>
>>>
>>
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