[CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability-WS2-TravelSupport-ICANN59Johannesburg-25June2017-Announcement and Process
Tapani Tarvainen
ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info
Mon Feb 27 10:48:13 UTC 2017
I definitely agree that business class is warranted in this case -
having to chair a session after 24h+ travel in economy class sounds
nightmarish.
But I also see Nigel's point. Perhaps it'd be possible to come up with
a rule, something along the lines that if the shortest available
flight path for the chair of a meeting exceeds, say, 20 hours, it
justifies business class flights.
Tapani
On Feb 27 10:26, Nigel Roberts (nigel at channelisles.net) wrote:
> Whilst I 100% agree with the previous contributors regarding the
> utility of the proposal (and hope this puts the tin lid on that
> discussion), and I also understand the reason that Leon put this out
> to the wider group, possibly to forestall any accusations of
> junketing, I am mildly uncomfortable with what seems to me to be a
> 'voting' mentaily on this.
>
> To my simplistic mind, ICANN is a business. (Specifically, a
> non-profit business).
>
> Where a particular expenditure advances the corporation's interests,
> it SHOULD be undertaken. Where it does not, not.
>
> In this case, I would have simply preferred Leon to obtain the
> agreement of the fund-holder or gate-keeper (the other co-chairs?)
> and use the facility to promote the work-to-be-done, without
> provoking this great chorus of metoos.
>
> The reason I say this, is that in the future, this procedure if it
> becomes de rigeur, might discourage participation whereby some
> people may be inhibited from asking for necessary facilities if it
> has to be 'approved' by every Member and Participant, or at least
> commented upon in the name of faux-transparency.
>
> Seriously, ICANN is a billion dollar business.
>
> Let's worry about doing the work, eh?
>
> Oh, yes, in case it wasn't clear.
>
> "I also agree with the proposed expenditure".
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 27/02/17 10:05, Lori Schulman wrote:
> >Dear All,
> >
> >
> >
> >I agree that Leon should be accorded the exception to the travel rules
> >and be offered a business class ticket.
> >
> >
> >
> >Lori
> >
> >
> >
> >Lori S. Schulman
> >
> >Senior Director, Internet Policy
> >
> >*International Trademark Association (INTA)*
> >
> >+1-202-704-0408, Skype: lsschulman
> >
> >
> >
> >cid:image005.jpg at 01D270D2.1801CD20
> >
> >
> >
> >*From:*accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> >[mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of
> >*Paul Rosenzweig
> >*Sent:* Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:42 PM
> >*To:* 'Kavouss Arasteh' <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>;
> >Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr; 'Thomas Rickert' <rickert at anwaelte.de>; 'León
> >Felipe Sánchez Ambía' <leonfelipe at sanchez.mx>
> >*Cc:* accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> >*Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT]
> >CCWG-Accountability-WS2-TravelSupport-ICANN59Johannesburg-25June2017-Announcement
> >and Process
> >
> >
> >
> >I am pleased to have the opportunity to say: “I agree with Kavouss.”
> >
> >
> >
> >Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >Paul Rosenzweig
> >
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> >
> >*From:*accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> ><mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>
> >[mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of
> >*Kavouss Arasteh
> >*Sent:* Sunday, February 26, 2017 4:42 AM
> >*To:* Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr <mailto:Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr>; Thomas
> >Rickert <rickert at anwaelte.de <mailto:rickert at anwaelte.de>>; León Felipe
> >Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe at sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe at sanchez.mx>>
> >*Cc:* accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> ><mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> >*Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT]
> >CCWG-Accountability-WS2-TravelSupport-ICANN59Johannesburg-25June2017-Announcement
> >and Process
> >
> >
> >
> >Dear Co-Chairs,
> >
> >It seems that everybody agree for the upgrading to Business Class and
> >one additional day of acco0mmodation for Leon.
> >
> >Pls kindly decide on the matter favorably and put an end to this string
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Kavouss
> >
> >
> >
> >2017-02-24 18:58 GMT+01:00 Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> ><mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>:
> >
> > I would also note that this itinerary is an absolute minimum 20
> > hours gate-to-gate, and more likely 24 hours or so (which is close
> > to 30 hours door-to-door) or even more....
> >
> >
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > *Greg Shatan
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> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Greg Shatan
> > <gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Agree with Phil, assuming that fits into Leon's schedule.
> > Sometimes the extra day isn't personally available, even though
> > it is always desirable.
> >
> >
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > *Greg Shatan
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> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 10:57 AM, Seun Ojedeji
> > <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com <mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > +1 to Phil's suggestion
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 24, 2017 4:47 PM, "Phil Corwin" <psc at vlaw-dc.com
> > <mailto:psc at vlaw-dc.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Not objecting to the request, but noting this statement –
> >
> >
> >
> > Taking into account this situation and the fact that I
> > will be chairing our
> > face to face meeting just hours after I land in South Africa
> >
> >
> >
> > Given that, as we all know, air travel is susceptible to
> > unanticipated delays, if ICANN is going to incur the
> > extra expense of business class perhaps it would be
> > better for Leon to book an earlier flight itinerary.
> > Even if it meant an extra night of accommodations, it
> > would minimize the possibility of a flight delay that
> > prevented Leon from chairing the meeting.
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> > *From:*accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> > <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> > <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>]
> > *On Behalf Of *Kavouss Arasteh
> > *Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2017 10:33 AM
> > *To:* Mathieu Weill;
> > accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> > <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> > *Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT]
> > CCWG-Accountability-WS2-TravelSupport-ICANN59Johannesburg-25June2017-Announcement
> > and Process
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Co-Chairs,
> >
> > The situation is fully understandable and seems no one
> > object to the ligitiate and convincing request of Leon.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Kavouss
> >
> >
> >
> > 2017-02-24 14:19 GMT+01:00 Mathieu Weill
> > <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr <mailto:mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>>:
> >
> > Dear Colleagues,
> >
> > For transparency, please be aware of the below specific
> > request by Leon
> > Sanchez regarding travel funding for Johannesburg.
> >
> > Considering the proposed arrangement and the fact that
> > Leon will have to
> > (co-)chair our F2F meeting on Day 1, we are prepared to
> > grant the request,
> > unless the group objects.
> >
> > Thank you for your attention.
> > Best
> > Thomas & Mathieu
> > Co-chairs
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : León Felipe Sánchez Ambía
> > [mailto:leonfelipe at sanchez.mx]
> > Envoyé : mercredi 15 février 2017 15:49
> > À : Thomas Rickert (thomas at rickert.net
> > <mailto:thomas at rickert.net>); Mathieu Weill
> > Cc : Accountability Staff
> > Objet : Request for travel exception
> >
> > Dear Thomas and Mathieu,
> >
> > As the period to request travel support for our meeting
> > in Johannesburg gets
> > closer I would like to kindly ask for your consideration
> > for an exception to
> > our travel support rules given that traveling from
> > Mexico to South Africa
> > requires a double Intercontinental trip in any way I
> > travel (either through
> > Europe or South America).
> >
> > Taking into account this situation and the fact that I
> > will be chairing our
> > face to face meeting just hours after I land in South
> > Africa, I would kindly
> > request that business class travel is authorized for
> > this one time. Please
> > feel free to share this request as widely as you
> > consider for transparency
> > purposes.
> >
> > I thank your for your consideration in advance.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> >
> > León
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *De :*accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> > <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> > <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>]
> > *De la part de* Bernard Turcotte
> > *Envoyé :* vendredi 17 février 2017 23:21
> > *À :* Accountability Cross Community
> > *Objet :* [CCWG-ACCT]
> > CCWG-Accountability-WS2-TravelSupport-ICANN59Johannesburg-25June2017-Announcement
> > and Process
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The body of this email contains:
> >
> >
> >
> > * The announcement for Travel Funding Applications for
> > the CCWG-Accountability-WS2 Face to Face at ICANN59
> > on 25 June 2017
> > * The CCWG-Accountability-WS2 Travel Funding Policy
> > * The CCWG-Accountability-WS2 Travel Funding
> > Application Form (Applications must be submitted by
> >
> >
> >
> > 23:59 UTC Sunday 19 March 2017)
> >
> >
> >
> > All,
> >
> >
> >
> > The CCWG-Accountability
> >
> > -WS2
> >
> > has travel funding for some Members and Rapporteurs to
> > attend the Face to Face meetings held the day prior to
> > an ICANN meeting who do not have any other funding
> > available to them to attend.
> >
> >
> >
> > Members are those individuals that are specifically
> > appointed by the chartering SO/ACs to the
> > CCWG-Accountability - the list of Members can be found
> > at https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=59640780 .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rapporteurs are those listed as such on the
> > CCWG-Accountability-WS2 Wiki for specific sub-groups
> > located at
> > https://community.icann.org/display/WEIA/WS2+SubGroup+Topics.
> > Please see the attached policy for details regarding
> > this funding.
> >
> >
> >
> > If you are not a Member or a Rapporteur, please do not
> > apply as there is a very limited number of seats available.
> >
> >
> >
> > The next Face to Face meeting of the CCWG-accountability
> > will be held on 25 June 2017 in conjunction with ICANN
> > 59 in Johannesburg South Africa.
> >
> >
> >
> > Those Members and Rapporteurs wishing to be considered
> > for travel funding should fill out the attached form and
> > submit it by
> >
> >
> >
> > 23:59 UTC Sunday 19 March 2017 to Acct-Staff at icann.org
> > <mailto:Acct-Staff at icann.org>.
> >
> >
> >
> > The funding is for the Face- to- Face meeting
> >
> > of the CCWG-Accountability WS2
> >
> > , which can include airfare, hotel and a per-diem
> > allocation for meals for attending the Face to Face
> > meeting only (and not the full ICANN meeting). However,
> > in analyzing the requests the
> >
> >
> >
> > CCWG-Accountability-WS2
> >
> > Co-Chairs will consider requests for partial funding
> > (such as only an additional day of hotel and per diem to
> > attend the Face to Face meeting) in order to maximize
> > participation. As such Members are encouraged to only
> > apply for what they need to allow for funding as many
> > Members and Rapporteurs as possible.
> >
> >
> >
> > The final decisions on travel funding will be made by the
> >
> > CCWG-Accountability-WS2
> >
> > Co-Chairs and published on the CCWG-Accountability WS2
> > wiki at
> > https://community.icann.org/display/WEIA/Travel+Supportwithin
> > 7 days of the application period closing (a confirmation
> > of the posting will be sent to the CCWG email list).
> >
> >
> >
> > Those being supported will then be contacted by ICANN
> > Travel using the standard ICANN travel funding process
> > to arrange details.
> >
> >
> >
> > Should you have any questions please do not hesitate to
> > contact the CCWG-Accountability support staff at
> > Acct-Staff at icann.org <mailto:Acct-Staff at icann.org>.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bernard Turcotte
> >
> >
> >
> > ICANN Staff Support to the CCWG-Accountability-WS2
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Updated Process for Expressions of Interest requesting
> > CCWG Travel Support (December 2016)*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The current budgeted amount to support the work of CCWG
> > WS2 members allocates travel support (travel, hotel and
> > per diem) for an amount equivalent to 20 appointed
> > members or rapporteurs to attend only a CCWG
> > face-to-face meeting. The Co-Chairs have the authority
> > to re-allocate this amount – this could include
> > supporting requests for partial funding to allow them to
> > maximize the number of members attending (e.g. the
> > requestor may ask for any or all of the following:
> > airfare, and/or hotel and/or per diem) or to extend the
> > stay of some key participants.
> >
> >
> >
> > You are eligible for travel support from the CCWG if you
> > are an officially appointed member of WS2 from a
> > chartering SO or AC or if you are officially listed as a
> > Rapporteur or Co-Rapporteur on the
> > CCWG-Accountability-WS2 Wiki located at
> > https://community.icann.org/display/WEIA/WS2+-+Enhancing+ICANN+Accountability+Home.
> >
> >
> >
> > Travel support arrangements will follow Constituency
> > Travel Guidelines located at:
> > https://community.icann.org/display/trvlconstit/Constituency+Travel+Home
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The CCWG travel support slots will be allocated in
> > priority as follows:
> >
> >
> >
> > CCWG-Accountability Co-Chairs – 3 slots (or equivalent
> > amount)
> >
> >
> >
> > CCWG-Accountability Chartering Organization Appointed
> > Members
> >
> > CCWG-Accountability Rapporteurs
> >
> >
> >
> > CCWG appointed Members and Rapporteurs requesting
> > consideration by the Co-Chairs for travel support to
> > attend a face-to-face meeting must complete and submit
> > the travel request form by the stipulated deadline in
> > order to be considered for funding.
> >
> >
> >
> > NOTE: In evaluating the applications for travel funding
> > the Co-Chairs will consider applicant's attendance to
> > CCWG meetings and their contributions to the ongoing
> > work as well as the availability of alternate funding to
> > the applicant.
> >
> >
> >
> > CCWG Staff support will send out an announcement
> > regarding the application for travel support and
> > deadline for application submissions as soon as a
> > face-to-face meeting has been approved. Applications to
> > request travel support are located at:
> > https://community.icann.org/display/WEIA/Travel+Support
> >
> >
> >
> > Completed forms can be sent to Acct-Staff at icann.org
> > <mailto:Acct-Staff at icann.org>for submission to the
> > Co-Chairs for review and approval.
> >
> >
> >
> > All applicants for CCWG WS2 travel support will be
> > posted on the CCWG WS2 wiki under Travel Support. Names
> > will be listed REQUESTED and once approved will be
> > listed as APPROVED for travel support including the type
> > of support that is approved.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The Co-Chairs will review the applications received,
> > including the requests for partial support, and
> > determine the list of approved CCWG members who will
> > receive travel funding.
> >
> >
> >
> > The CCWG approved travel support list will be submitted
> > to ICANN Constituency Travel for processing according to
> > community travel guidelines.
> >
> >
> >
> > The approved list of funded CCWG members will be posted
> > on the WS2 wiki at
> > https://community.icann.org/display/WEIA/Travel+Suppor
> > <https://community.icann.org/display/WEIA/Travel+Support>_t_
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ===========================================================
> >
> > CCWG-Accountability-WS2 Supported Travel Request Form
> >
> >
> >
> > You are eligible for travel support from the
> > CCWG-Accountability only if you are an officially
> > appointed member of WS2 from a chartering SO or AC or if
> > you are an officially listed Rapporteur for a WS2 sub-group.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The CCWG-Accountability-WS2 Co-Chairs will review the
> > applications received, including the requests for
> > partial support, and determine the list of approved CCWG
> > members who will receive travel funding.
> >
> >
> >
> > The CCWG-Accountability-WS2 approved travel support list
> > will be submitted to ICANN Constituency Travel for
> > processing according to community travel guidelines
> >
> >
> >
> > Travel support arrangements will follow Constituency
> > travel guidelines located at:
> > https://community.icann.org/display/trvlconstit/Constituency+Travel+Home
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > CCWG-Accountability-WS2 appointed Members or rapporteurs
> > requesting consideration by the Co-Chairs for travel
> > support to attend a face-to-face meeting must complete
> > and submit the travel request form by the stipulated
> > deadline in order to be considered for funding.
> >
> >
> >
> > Applicant Identification
> >
> > ========================
> >
> >
> >
> > Name:
> >
> >
> >
> > Chartering Org or Rapporteur for which WS2 Group:
> >
> >
> >
> > Email address:
> >
> >
> >
> > Date of Request:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Other sources of support
> >
> > ========================
> >
> >
> >
> > Please indicate if you are receiving travel support from
> > another organization to attend the ICANN meeting
> >
> >
> >
> > I am receiving support from another organization
> > (yes or no):
> >
> >
> >
> > If you are not receiving support from another
> > organization, please proceed to “Support requested from
> > CCWG-Accountability”. If you are receiving support,
> > please provide the information requested below:
> >
> >
> >
> > Name of the Organization(s) providing the support:
> >
> >
> >
> > Indicate type of support and how many days the support
> > is provided (BY FUNDING ORGANIZATION):
> >
> >
> >
> > Airfare (yes or no):
> >
> >
> >
> > Hotel (# days):
> >
> >
> >
> > Per Diem (# days):
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Support requested from CCWG-Accountability
> >
> > ===========================================
> >
> >
> >
> > Please indicate the type of travel support (including
> > the number of days) you are seeking from the CCWG for
> > WS2 -please remember this is only for attending the Face
> > to Face meeting and is not for the entire ICANN meeting.
> >
> >
> >
> > Airfare (yes or no):
> >
> >
> >
> > Hotel (# days):
> >
> >
> >
> > Per Diem (# days):
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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