<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Why are you worried about planning for California laws when the stated plans are if and when Congress lets IANA go the plan is, not to keep ICANN/IANA in America but to move IANA to Switzerland where it will be under legal oversight for DRS of WIPO?<br>Sincerely<br>Carrie Devorah<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:41 PM, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx" target="_blank">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>></span> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Dear Kavouss,<div><br></div><div>I like the idea of examining other options. Which options should we be looking at?</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div><br></div><div>León<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>El 17/12/2014, a las 14:21, Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> escribió:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div> <font size="3" face="Times New Roman">
</font><div style="background-color:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt" lang="EN-US">Dear All,</span></div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">
</font><div style="background-color:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt" lang="EN-US">The entity may be one option. However, it is not what we were thinking
of</span></div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">
</font><div style="background-color:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt" lang="EN-US">First of all, no mentioned was made of GAC</span></div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">
</font><div style="background-color:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt" lang="EN-US">Second the composition of the group is not mentioned</span></div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">
</font><div style="background-color:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt" lang="EN-US">Third the footing is not mentioned</span></div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">
</font><div style="background-color:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt" lang="EN-US">Fourth the legal Framework is not mentioned and</span></div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">
</font><div style="background-color:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt" lang="EN-US">More importantly, it seems to me that every possible effort is made to
maintain the current structure as we are talking of SO and AC .However, this is
not the realistic composition.</span></div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">
</font><div style="background-color:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt" lang="EN-US">We need to look at other option in which the process is more democratic.</span></div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">
</font><div style="background-color:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt" lang="EN-US">All these SO and AC are not fully democratic as the stakeholder does not
have direct role on that</span></div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">
</font><div style="background-color:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt" lang="EN-US">Please kindly do not limit us to merely existing practice and model</span></div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">
</font><div style="background-color:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt" lang="EN-US">There are variety of possibilities</span></div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">
</font><div style="background-color:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt" lang="EN-US">I know most of you are for statuesque </span></div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">
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