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Dear Phil, Roelof, All,<br>
<br>
It is great to see such a vigorous and creative thread on our list.
It is still too early in our work to assess solutions of course, but
I think we could really use your contributions (as well as the Op-Ed
from ITIF) to inform our current questions regarding the purpose of
accountability, and its characteristics. <br>
<br>
So it would be greatly valuable if you could look back at your
proposals and expand on the following questions (currently being
considered in WA1 about existing mechanisms) and mentioned in Thomas
note after our latest call<br>
<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">a) is
the mechanism providing check and balance, review or redress (see
Netmundial definition of accountability in our Charter) ?</span><br
style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">
<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">b) to
whom does this mechanisms seek to make Icann accountable ?</span><br
style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">
<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">c) for
what purpose does this mechanism make Icann accountable ? <br>
<br>
As mentioned in the note mentioned above, </span><span
style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">this would
then be a great starting point to assess which issues are most
needed to be tackled. <br>
<br>
Best regards, <br>
Mathieu<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 19/12/2014 17:52, Phil Buckingham a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">May I start a new
thread and suggest a complete restructuring/ break up of
ICANN, with a new corporate, tax paying entity, established,
accountable for all revenue generating activity,
particularly from its management, facilitation and its on
going responsibility, accountability, reporting of the
whole gTLD programme, processes, procedures. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Are you aware that
ICANN’s ( currently a 501 Californian not for profit - where
no tax is payable) latest audited 2013 financial statements
show a “surplus” of $83M ( with a further $32.4 M
development cost write back ) on $359M revenue received from
1930 applicants. It has also in addition, subsequently
received <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applicationstatus/auctionresults">https://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applicationstatus/auctionresults</a>
with another 100+ contention sets ( potentially )facing a
last resort ICANN auction, where ICANN takes all the
proceeds.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Perhaps this outside
the CCWG -Accountability remit.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Phil Buckingham<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roelof Meijer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 19 December 2014 15:26<br>
<b>To:</b> Steve DelBianco; Accountability Cross
Community<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-Accountability] Op-Ed from
ITIF regarding permanent cross-community group as
ultimate authority<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Deal all,</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Steve
wrote:</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">"Gunnarson
suggests that one way to provide an effective check
on the ICANN board's power is to create statutory
members of ICANN with extensive authority over the
board. This authority could include removing board
members, overturning board decisions, etc. The
statutory members would likely include the chairs of
the various ICANN "supporting organizations" and
"advisory committees," such as the Address
Supporting Organization (ASO) responsible for IP
address policy and the Country Code Name Supporting
Organization (ccNSO) responsible for managing the
country code top-level domains. To ensure that the
statutory members do not hold too much sway, their
actions could be limited to situations where there
is a supermajority (i.e., consensus). „</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The
possibility of introducing such a structure is
certainly not limited to organizations operating
under California State (or US Federal for that matter)
Law. </span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">If the
members of such a structure would be the (elected)
chairs of the SO’s and AC’s and of a few other (e.g.
IETF, IAB and –dare I suggest it- the SG of the ITU)
to make it truly/fully multi-stakeholder, it
could greatly enhance ICANN’s accountability. As the
structure itself would be very accountable.</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I would
think that (indeed on the condition of a
supermajority) this structure then could be given the
power to (escalation with increase in number):</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1">On the basis of „too much noise from the
community”, tell ICANN to redo a particular process;<span
style="font-size:10.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1">If the above does not solve the situation,
call for an independent review of the issue/process;<span
style="font-size:10.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1">If the situation meets certain criteria,
send the board (or part thereof) away;<span
style="font-size:10.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1">If the situation meets even stricter
criteria, transfer ICANN’s role and/or the IANA function
to another organization (Chris Disspain’s „nuclear
option”)<span style="font-size:10.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The nice
thing about option 4 is that having it, will make
it’s actual use unnecessary and will make options 1
to 3 a given. By rattling the sable, as the NTIA
occasionally did, for sure..</span><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Only a
very rough sketch, lots of develish details to be
worked out. But in my opinion worth reflecting on.
Not because it, as Kavouss suggests, „[is limited] </span><span
style="color:#222222;background:white">to merely
existing practice and model”. As it is not. But
because it builds onto what had been realized over
the years and works pretty well most of the time.
And because it might be part of a solution to both
issues: the IANA stewardship transition and the
enhancement of ICANN’s accountability.</span><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#222222;background:#FFFEFE">And, now
that I am having a go at it anyway, if the above
would be implemented, another increase in ICANN’s
accountability could be realized some time down the
line. By replacing ICANN’s present board by one of
which none of the members are elected from an SO or
AC , but all members are selected on the basis of
their personal skills and expertise.</span><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black;mso-fareast-language:NL">Best
regards,</span><span style="font-family:"Times
New Roman","serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Steve DelBianco <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>woensdag 17 december 2014 17:20<br>
<b>To: </b>Accountability Cross Community <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[CCWG-Accountability] Op-Ed from ITIF
regarding permanent cross-community group as ultimate
authority<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">This pertains to
our discussion yesterday about a permanent,
cross-community ‘Membership’ group to hold ICANN board
and management accountable to the community. It was
described this way in <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/51414327/WorkArea2%20Accountability%20suggestions%20%5Bdraft%203%5D.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1418610739000&api=v2">draft3</a>
for work area 2: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Amend ICANN
bylaws to recognize a permanent cross-community
representative structure (all ACs, SOs,
Constituencies) with authority to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Appoint
members of Affirmation review teams<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Review a
board decision, or resolve a dispute (option to
use independent panel)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Approve
changes to ICANN bylaws or Articles, with 2/3
approval<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Approve
annual proposed ICANN budget<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Recall one
or all ICANN Board members<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">One of the groups
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.innovationfiles.org/key-principles-for-the-icann-transition/">proposing</a> a
c</span><span style="color:black">ommunity of
stakeholders as ultimate authority posted</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"> a relevant <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/technology/227375-icann-transition-plan-needs-new-ideas-to-ensure-accountability">Op-Ed</a>
in a Washington paper today. Daniel Castro of the </span><span
style="color:black">Information Technology &
Innovation Foundation (ITIF) wrote:</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">California
state law applies since ICANN is a registered
nonprofit corporation in the state. As such,
California law allows nonprofit organizations to
have statutory members. Gunnarson suggests that one
way to provide an effective check on the ICANN
board's power is to create statutory members of
ICANN with extensive authority over the board. This
authority could include removing board members,
overturning board decisions, etc. The statutory
members would likely include the chairs of the
various ICANN "supporting organizations" and
"advisory committees," such as the Address
Supporting Organization (ASO) responsible for IP
address policy and the Country Code Name Supporting
Organization (ccNSO) responsible for managing the
country code top-level domains. To ensure that the
statutory members do not hold too much sway, their
actions could be limited to situations where there
is a supermajority (i.e., consensus). </span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">We
welcome further elaboration of legal basis
to enable this modification to ICANN’s
bylaws in conformance with California law.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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