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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>+1 Mathieu. I would envisage the Board having to be compliance with all Corporate Governance Codes specific to Companies Law in the country of incorporation, subject to a community consensus override. But what is its corporate status – not for profit or for profit – as different codes would apply ? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Phil<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Drazek, Keith<br><b>Sent:</b> 06 January 2015 18:19<br><b>To:</b> Paul Rosenzweig; Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr; 'Roelof Meijer'; 'Bruce Tonkin'; 'Greg Shatan'<br><b>Cc:</b> accountability-cross-community@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-Accountability] WS1 vs WS2 recap and proposals<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Agreed.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And importantly, even if the ICANN Board is reluctant to adopt them, NTIA could require them to do so in response to a consensus community recommendation.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Keith</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org]">[mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Rosenzweig<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 06, 2015 1:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr">Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr</a>; 'Roelof Meijer'; 'Bruce Tonkin'; 'Greg Shatan'<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-Accountability] WS1 vs WS2 recap and proposals</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>+1 … this is exactly right Mathieu. The Board can, if it wishes, adopt these commitments.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Paul</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#C00000'>**NOTE: OUR NEW ADDRESS -- EFFECTIVE 12/15/14 ***</span></b><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>509 C St. NE</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Washington, DC 20002</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Paul Rosenzweig</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweigesq@redbranchconsulting.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</span></a> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>O: +1 (202) 547-0660</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>M: +1 (202) 329-9650</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Skype: +1 (202) 738-1739 or paul.rosenzweig1066</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19&Itemid=9"><span style='color:#0563C1'>Link to my PGP Key</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Mathieu Weill [<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 6, 2015 12:14 PM<br><b>To:</b> Roelof Meijer; Bruce Tonkin; Greg Shatan<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-Accountability] WS1 vs WS2 recap and proposals</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Hi Roelof, All,<br><br>I may be missing something but would kindly challenge your statement that the Board would not submit to such a proposal (force implementation of items they resist to). Please note that I provide the examples below only as illustrations and not as candidate mechanisms for our group. <br><br>First of all, it is routine governance in many organisations, including private corporations or not for profits (such as Afnic which I know well), that Boards operate under the authority of general assemblies, and therefore have to submit to decisions from another body. It is even often considered good practice (for some, but not all, decisions at least, such as bylaw changes or Board appointments).<br><br>Secondly, many corporate Boards willingly commit to governance codes of conduct all over the world that limit their authorities. One of the latest examples being the "say on pay" trend amongst listed companies whereby Board submit resolutions regarding executive compensation for approval to the general assemblies (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Say_on_pay">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Say_on_pay</a>). So in order to comply with stakeholder expectations, it is an established practice that Boards do limit their own "powers". <br><br>But once again, I may have misunderstood your point. <br><br>Best<br>Mathieu<br> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Le 06/01/2015 16:17, Roelof Meijer a écrit :<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>>mechanisms in WS1 adequate <b>to</b> force implementation of WS2 items <b>in the event of</b> resistance from ICANN management and Board<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>How can we reasonably expect the (ICANN) board to commit to such a proposal (to force implementation of items that they do not agree to)? It would do so blindly, not knowing beforehand what those items would be. No sensible board would ever agree to this. And should not, as we as a working group are not all-knowing. And we know that the chances that the public comments on our proposals will show full consensus are nil. And even if there was a full consensus in the public comments, we know for sure that this does not equal public consensus.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:NL'>Cheers,</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:NL'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:NL'>Roelof Meijer</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:NL'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=NL style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray;mso-fareast-language:NL'>SIDN | Meander 501 | 6825 MD | P.O. Box 5022 | 6802 EA | ARNHEM | THE NETHERLANDS<br>T +31 (0)26 352 55 00 | M +31 (0)6 11 395 775 | F +31 (0)26 352 55 05 <br><a href="mailto:roelof.meijer@sidn.nl">roelof.meijer@sidn.nl</a> | <a href="http://www.sidn.nl/"><span style='color:gray'>www.sidn.nl</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Bruce Tonkin <<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>><br><b>Date: </b>dinsdag 6 januari 2015 15:02<br><b>To: </b>Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [CCWG-Accountability] WS1 vs WS2 recap and proposals</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Works for me.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Greg Shatan [<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 6 January 2015 11:57 PM<br><b>To:</b> Bruce Tonkin<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-Accountability] WS1 vs WS2 recap and proposals</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-AU>How about:<br><br><span class=im>All other consensus items could be in WS2, provided there are mechanisms in WS1 adequate <b>to</b> force implementation of WS2 items <b>in the event of</b> resistance from ICANN management and Board.</span></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU>Greg Shatan</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU>On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 7:10 AM, Bruce Tonkin <<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>> wrote:</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU>Hello All,<br><br><br>>> WS 1 is designated for accountability mechanisms that must be in place of rimly committed to before IANA transition occurs. <br>All other consensus items could be in WS2, provided there are mechanisms in WS1 adequate for force implementation of WS2 items despite resistance from Icann management and Board. <br><br>If possible I would like to see the last phrase read: "in case of resistance from ICANN Management and Board". The current wording seems to assume there is some sort of default resistance.<br><br>Regards,<br>Bruce Tonkin<br>_______________________________________________<br>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><pre><span lang=EN-US>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><pre><span lang=EN-US>-- <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>*****************************<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>Mathieu WEILL<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>AFNIC - directeur général<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>Tél: +33 1 39 30 83 06<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US><a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>Twitter : @mathieuweill<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>*****************************<o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></body></html>