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Hi Roelof, All,<br>
<br>
I may be missing something but would kindly challenge your statement
that the Board would not submit to such a proposal (force
implementation of items they resist to). Please note that I provide
the examples below only as illustrations and not as candidate
mechanisms for our group. <br>
<br>
First of all, it is routine governance in many organisations,
including private corporations or not for profits (such as Afnic
which I know well), that Boards operate under the authority of
general assemblies, and therefore have to submit to decisions from
another body. It is even often considered good practice (for some,
but not all, decisions at least, such as bylaw changes or Board
appointments).<br>
<br>
Secondly, many corporate Boards willingly commit to governance codes
of conduct all over the world that limit their authorities. One of
the latest examples being the "say on pay" trend amongst listed
companies whereby Board submit resolutions regarding executive
compensation for approval to the general assemblies
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Say_on_pay">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Say_on_pay</a>). So in order to comply
with stakeholder expectations, it is an established practice that
Boards do limit their own "powers". <br>
<br>
But once again, I may have misunderstood your point. <br>
<br>
Best<br>
Mathieu<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 06/01/2015 16:17, Roelof Meijer a
écrit :<br>
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<div>><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;
font-size: 16px;">mechanisms in WS1 adequate </span><b
style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size:
16px;">to</b><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif; font-size: 16px;"> force implementation of WS2 items </span><b
style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size:
16px;">in the event of</b><span style="font-family: 'Times
New Roman', serif; font-size: 16px;"> resistance from ICANN
management and Board</span></div>
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<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font
class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri">How can we
reasonably expect the (ICANN) board to commit to such a
proposal (to force implementation of items that they do
not agree to)? It would do so blindly, not knowing
beforehand what those items would be. No sensible board
would ever agree to this. And should not, as we as a
working group are not all-knowing. And we know that the
chances that the public comments on our proposals will
show full consensus are nil. And even if there was a
full consensus in the public comments, we know for sure
that this does not equal public consensus.</font></font></div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Bruce Tonkin <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>dinsdag 6 januari
2015 15:02<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Greg Shatan <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re:
[CCWG-Accountability] WS1 vs WS2 recap and proposals<br>
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sans-serif;" lang="EN-US"> Greg Shatan [<a
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href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 6 January 2015 11:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bruce Tonkin<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-Accountability] WS1 vs WS2
recap and proposals<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">How
about:<br>
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<span class="im">All other consensus items could be
in WS2, provided there are mechanisms in WS1
adequate
<b>to</b> force implementation of WS2 items <b>in
the event of</b> resistance from ICANN
management and Board.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Greg Shatan<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 7:10 AM,
Bruce Tonkin <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au"
target="_blank">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello All,<br>
<br>
<br>
>> WS 1 is designated for accountability
mechanisms that must be in place of rimly
committed to before IANA transition occurs. <br>
All other consensus items could be in WS2,
provided there are mechanisms in WS1 adequate for
force implementation of WS2 items despite
resistance from Icann management and Board. <br>
<br>
If possible I would like to see the last phrase
read: "in case of resistance from ICANN
Management and Board". The current wording seems
to assume there is some sort of default
resistance.<br>
<br>
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Bruce Tonkin<br>
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