<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Netmundial and its ideas will not receive consensus. Nor will (significant) government involvement.</div><div><br></div><div>Never mind that the NTIA has stated that governments will not be in charge.</div><div><br></div><div>el<br><br>Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini</div><div><br>On Jan 10, 2015, at 16:29, Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Bruce,</div><div>Thank you very much for your message.</div><div>I hope I have not bothered you.</div><div>Listen, the term " Community" was used and is being used in the entire ICANN even NTIA used that term</div><div>If you read ICG and CWG and CCWG charters and correspondence, hundreds of time refernce is made to that term.</div><div>In many ICANN alert, ICANN publication, ICANN announcement the term " Community" has been used.I am surprised that you have not heard till now about that.</div><div>In addition, NetMundial which ICANN was one of the supporting and contribulting entity referred to those four constituencies of Global Multistakeholder Community composed of Civil Society, Private Sector, Technical Community including academics and Governments.</div><div>The composition of Executive Committee was 24 memebrs 12 from Governments and 12 from the rest . That is why I referred to it as a defacto agreement.</div><div>In WSIS also several refernces were made to these four categories of stakeholder <br> I am sorry I can not agree with your definition or description .It may be suitable for these activities that we are doing .</div><div> See NTIA Announcement of 14 March 2014 in which this term is used ) </div><div>In regard with your description of community , I am soory to disagree with you .Your description may be suitable for activities that we are doing ( ICG, CWG and CCWG ) However, for the overall issue of Global Multistakeholder Community WE MUST TAKE THAT COMPOSITION USED IN NETMUNDIALand other fora .</div><div>Internal organicgram of ICANN does not fuklly cover the issue.</div><div>Moreover, there should be a footing criteria and legitimacy .You can not take view of an individual and view of a " Community" witjh equal footing.It has been many cases in which an individual speaks on behalf of herself or himself thus the representation legitimacy is not observed .</div><div> Regards</div><div>Kavouss </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-01-10 12:21 GMT+01:00 Bruce Tonkin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello Kavouss,<br>
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>> I have one question which continued to bother me as everyone refers to "community"<br>
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>> What is that magic term "community» covers?<br>
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>> Does it includes or embrace the entire multistakeholders?<br>
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>> As it was discussed at several occasion, there is a defacto agreement that ,generally speaking multistakeholder composed of Civil Society, Private Sector, Technical Community including academics, Governments<br>
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I think that is a good question, and probably worth this group considering some definitions around that topic.<br>
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For me personally, I tend to think of the terms in the following way:<br>
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"ICANN Community" - this is the group of people that participate in the various ICANN working groups via email, phone, or websites, and attend ICANN meetings. This group is made up of individuals from GNSO constituencies and stakeholder groups, GAC, SSAC, ALAC, RSSAC, ccTLD representatives, RIR representatives etc. In my personal view, it is multi-stakeholder in that it includes people from Civil Society, Private Sector, Technical Community including academics, Governments.<br>
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In addition to that there is a wider community of people that are members of the various organizations that are in turn members of the various groups that comprise the ICANN community. As an example, I am a member of the Internet Society of Australia (ISOC) which is part of the Asia, Australasia and the Pacific Islands Regional At-Large Organisation (APRALO) which is part of At-large. ISOC in Australia may send a representative to ICANN meetings. A business might be a member of a chamber of commerce or business association, which in turn could be a member of the ICANN business constituency, and that chamber of commerce or business association may send a representative to an ICANN meeting as a member of the ICANN community. I don't have any specific name for this wider group of people and organizations.<br>
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Then there is term "public" which is used within the term "global public interest". In general, I personally think of the public in this context as Internet users. However you could also consider public in this context to be all the people of the world. Even people that don't directly use the Internet as a communication mechanism are probably affected by it in some way.<br>
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The fundamental responsibility of the Board of ICANN is to exercise their judgment to act in what they reasonably believe to be the best interests of the global public interest, taking account of the interests of the Internet community as a whole rather than any individual group or interest. Its primary feedback mechanism for determining the global public interest is the "ICANN community" described above.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Bruce Tonkin<br>
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