<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear All,</div><div>I have serious difficulties with the following amendments proposed by Bruce</div><div>Quote</div><div><em>"in case of resistance from ICANN Management and Board". The current wording seems to assume there is some sort of default resistance</em>."</div><div>Please kindly make sure that every body agree to the text . We thank Bruce but we could not subordinate CCWG to Board 's wishes .</div><div>Regards</div><div>Kavouss <br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-01-10 17:53 GMT+01:00 Roelof Meijer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl" target="_blank">Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Exactly. And especially as a preconditions for the transition of the IANA oversight (that oversight can than (partly or wholly) be transitioned to that structure.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>dinsdag 6 januari 2015 19:18<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Paul Rosenzweig <<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a>>, Mathieu Weill <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>>, Roelof Meijer
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Agreed.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">And importantly, even if the ICANN Board is reluctant to adopt them, NTIA could require them to do so in response to a consensus community recommendation.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">+1 … this is exactly right Mathieu. The Board can, if it wishes, adopt these commitments.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 6, 2015 12:14 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Roelof, All,<br>
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I may be missing something but would kindly challenge your statement that the Board would not submit to such a proposal (force implementation of items they resist to). Please note that I provide the examples below only as illustrations and not as candidate
mechanisms for our group. <br>
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First of all, it is routine governance in many organisations, including private corporations or not for profits (such as Afnic which I know well), that Boards operate under the authority of general assemblies, and therefore have to submit to decisions from
another body. It is even often considered good practice (for some, but not all, decisions at least, such as bylaw changes or Board appointments).<br>
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Secondly, many corporate Boards willingly commit to governance codes of conduct all over the world that limit their authorities. One of the latest examples being the "say on pay" trend amongst listed companies whereby Board submit resolutions regarding executive
compensation for approval to the general assemblies (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Say_on_pay" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Say_on_pay</a>). So in order to comply with stakeholder expectations, it is an established practice that Boards do limit their
own "powers". <br>
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But once again, I may have misunderstood your point. <br>
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Best<br>
Mathieu<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>mechanisms in WS1 adequate <b>to</b> force implementation of WS2 items <b>in the event of</b> resistance from ICANN management and Board<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">How can we reasonably expect the (ICANN) board to commit to such a proposal (to force implementation of items that they do not agree to)? It would do so blindly, not knowing beforehand what
those items would be. No sensible board would ever agree to this. And should not, as we as a working group are not all-knowing. And we know that the chances that the public comments on our proposals will show full consensus are nil. And even if there was a
full consensus in the public comments, we know for sure that this does not equal public consensus.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 6 January 2015 11:57 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-AU">How about:<br>
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<span>All other consensus items could be in WS2, provided there are mechanisms in WS1 adequate
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 7:10 AM, Bruce Tonkin <<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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>> WS 1 is designated for accountability mechanisms that must be in place of rimly committed to before IANA transition occurs. <br>
All other consensus items could be in WS2, provided there are mechanisms in WS1 adequate for force implementation of WS2 items despite resistance from Icann management and Board. <br>
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If possible I would like to see the last phrase read: "in case of resistance from ICANN Management and Board". The current wording seems to assume there is some sort of default resistance.<br>
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Bruce Tonkin<br>
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