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    Dear Kavouss,<br>
    <br>
    Many thanks for taking the time to provide such extensive comments
    regarding the proposed document on scope and definitions. <br>
    <br>
    I believe you raise a number of valuable questions, which
    unfortunately will probably not find answers in this particular
    document as they pertain to further stages of our work. This is the
    case for all the mentions of the need to clarify how we would
    address an issue. <br>
    <br>
    I also note you suggested edits regarding some of the quotes of our
    Charter. I am afraid this would require to go back to the Chartering
    organisations, and therefore I find it difficult to address. This
    includes the definition of accountability (from Netmundial
    statement) as well as the definition of stakeholders (from the
    European framework for quality management). <br>
    <br>
    Among the various comments you raise, I can reinforce the fact that
    the lists of examples are for illustration only, and are not meant
    to be comprehensive. <br>
    <br>
    The next version of the document will take your comments into
    account. <br>
    <br>
    Best<br>
    Mathieu<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 12/01/2015 11:59, Kavouss Arasteh a
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        <div>Mathieu, and others</div>
        <div>Please find  attached my comments in form of revision marks
          my comments</div>
        <div>Kavouss </div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2015-01-12 9:26 GMT+01:00 Mathieu Weill
          <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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            Colleagues,<br>
            <br>
            This discussion about the "community" is quite relevant to
            our group. May I suggest to turn these discussions into
            proposed edits to the draft document regarding scope and
            definitions ? Essentially within the section regarding
            stakeholders.<br>
            <br>
            I attach the documents once again.<br>
            <br>
            Best<br>
            Mathieu<br>
            Le 10/01/2015 12:21, Bruce Tonkin a écrit :
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                  Kavouss,<br>
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                      I have one question which continued to bother me
                      as everyone refers to "community"<br>
                              What is that magic term "community»
                      covers?<br>
                              Does it includes or embrace the entire
                      multistakeholders?<br>
                              As it was discussed at several occasion,
                      there is a defacto agreement that ,generally
                      speaking multistakeholder composed        of Civil
                      Society, Private Sector, Technical Community
                      including academics, Governments<br>
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                  I think that is a good question, and probably worth
                  this group considering some definitions around that
                  topic.<br>
                  <br>
                  For me personally, I tend to think of the terms in the
                  following way:<br>
                  <br>
                  "ICANN Community" - this is the group of people that
                  participate in the various ICANN working groups via
                  email, phone, or websites,  and attend ICANN
                  meetings.     This group is made up of individuals
                  from GNSO constituencies and stakeholder groups, GAC,
                  SSAC, ALAC, RSSAC, ccTLD representatives, RIR
                  representatives etc.    In my personal view, it is
                  multi-stakeholder in that it includes people from
                  Civil Society, Private Sector, Technical Community
                  including academics, Governments.<br>
                  <br>
                  In addition to that there is a wider community of
                  people that are members of the various organizations
                  that are in turn members of the various groups that
                  comprise the ICANN community.   As an example, I am a
                  member of the Internet Society of Australia (ISOC)
                  which is part of the Asia, Australasia and the Pacific
                  Islands Regional At-Large Organisation (APRALO) which
                  is part of At-large.   ISOC in Australia may send a
                  representative to ICANN meetings.       A business
                  might be a member of a chamber of commerce or business
                  association, which in turn could be a member of the
                  ICANN business constituency,  and that chamber of
                  commerce or business association may send a
                  representative to an ICANN meeting as a member of the
                  ICANN community.   I don't have any specific name for
                  this wider group of people and organizations.<br>
                  <br>
                  Then there is term "public" which is used within the
                  term "global public interest".   In general, I
                  personally think of the public in this context as
                  Internet users.   However you could also consider
                  public  in this context to be all the people of the
                  world.   Even people that don't directly use the
                  Internet as a communication mechanism are probably
                  affected by it in some way.<br>
                  <br>
                  The fundamental responsibility of  the Board of ICANN 
                  is to exercise their judgment to act in what they
                  reasonably believe to be the best interests of the
                  global public interest, taking account of the
                  interests of the Internet community as a whole rather
                  than any individual group or interest.    Its primary
                  feedback mechanism for determining the global public
                  interest is the "ICANN community" described above.<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  Regards,<br>
                  Bruce Tonkin<br>
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