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Dear Finn, <br>
<br>
This is a good point you're raising. <br>
<br>
Looking at our own Charter, I did find this definition of consensus
in the decision making methodologies section : <br>
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lang="EN-US">In
developing its Proposal(s), work plan and any other reports,
the CCWG-Accountability
shall seek to act by consensus. Consensus calls should always
make best efforts
to involve all members (the CCWG-Accountability or sub-working
group). The
Chair(s) shall be responsible for designating each position as
having one of
the following designations:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I do not know whether Icann has a documented definition of consensus
other than that ? Maybe there is within the gNSO for PDP purposes ?
<br>
<br>
Best<br>
Mathieu<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 12/01/2015 12:08, Finn Petersen a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US">Thank you for all the work that have gone into
advancing this key issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">Acknowledging that the discussion regarding the
definitions of WS1/WS2 is moving fast, we would, however,
like to raise a question regarding the proposal submitted
for comment by the Co-chairs and the wording “consensus
support” (marked in yellow). What would “consensus support
from the community” entail in this situation? For example,
would it mean that a proposal would be taken off the table
if only one person/stakeholder group/AC-SO etc. from the
community (also a term that is currently discussed) would be
against it?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">WS1 mechanisms are those that, when in place or
committed to, would provide the community with confidence
that any accountability mechanism that would further
enhance Icann's accountability would be implemented if it
had consensus support from the community, even if it were to
encounter Icann management resistance or if it were against
the interest of Icann as a corporate entity.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US">This is just another example of the importance
of carefully considering the Problem definition of our work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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important issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<b>På vegne af </b>Mathieu Weill<br>
<b>Sendt:</b> 5. januar 2015 16:56<br>
<b>Til:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Emne:</b> [CCWG-Accountability] WS1 vs WS2 recap and
proposals<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Colleagues,<br>
<br>
During our 30th December call, we had extensive discussions
regarding what our group would consider work stream 1 or swork
stream 2. We concluded with an action item as such :
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">ACTION:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Recap of definitions of WS1/WS2 for mailing list and discussion next week.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As Co-chairs, we have attempted to
summarize the various inputs expressed on the list as well as
during the calls on the matter. Below is a recap, including a
proposal for discussion, inspired by the WA2 proposal, and
which, in our opinion, would be a good candidate to move
forward. <br>
<br>
This is for you review at this stage before we discuss it
tomorrow during the weekly call. Comments or alternate will be
welcome during the call or later on this thread.
<br>
<br>
I'd like to once again thank Steve del Bianco and the WA2 team
for their essential contribution to this key piece of our
work.
<br>
<br>
Mathieu<br>
<br>
------------------------<br>
Main inputs, comments and positions expressed so far regarding
WS1/WS2: <br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Problem statement from our Charter : <br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre style="orphans: 2;text-align:-webkit-auto;widows: 2;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;font-size:inherit;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#010101">The concerns raised during these discussions around the transition process indicate that the existing <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#010101">ICANN accountability mechanisms do not yet meet stakeholder expectations. Recent statements <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#010101">made by various stakeholders suggest that current accountability mechanisms need to be reviewed <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#010101">and, if need be, improved, amended, replaced, or supplemented with new mechanisms (see for <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#010101">instance ATRT recommendations). Considering that the NTIA has stressed that it is expecting <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#010101">community consensus regarding the transition, a failure to meet stakeholder expectations with <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#010101">regards to accountability may create a situation where NTIA does not accept the IANA transition <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#010101">proposal as meeting its conditions. Thus reviewing ICANN’s accountability mechanisms was <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#010101">considered to be crucial for the transition process.</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Work stream scopes from our Charter :<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#010101">In
the discussions around the accountability process, the
CCWG-Accountability will proceed with two Work
Streams:</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#010101">Work
Stream 1</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#010101"> :
focused on mechanisms enhancing ICANN accountability
that must be in place or committed to within the time
frame of the IANA Stewardship Transition;</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#010101">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#010101">Work
Stream 2</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#010101"> :
focused on addressing accountability topics for which a
timeline for developing solutions and full
implementation may extend beyond the IANA Stewardship
Transition.</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#010101">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#010101">The
CCWG-Accountability will allocate issues to Work Stream
1 and Work Stream 2. Some issues may span both Work
Streams.</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#010101">Suggested
questions to be considered as part of Work Stream 1
include, but are not limited to: </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#010101">What
would be the impact of NTIA’s transition of the IANA
Functions Contract in ensuring ICANN’s accountability
and what potential accountability concerns could this
cause?</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#010101">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#010101">What
enhancements or reforms are required to be implemented
or committed to before the NTIA Stewardship Transition?</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#010101">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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New";color:#010101"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">o<span
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#010101">How
will these enhancements or reforms be stress-tested?</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";color:#010101">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#010101">What
enhancements or reforms must be committed to before the
NTIA Stewardship Transition, but could be implemented
after.</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#010101">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#010101">If
the implementation of enhancements or reforms are to be
deferred, how can the community be assured they will be
implemented?</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";color:#010101">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#010101">How
will these enhancements or reforms be stress-tested?</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";color:#010101">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Work Area 2 proposed definition of WS1/2 :<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">WS
1 is designated for accountability mechanisms that must
be in place of rimly committed to before IANA transition
occurs. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">All
other consensus items could be in WS2, provided <b>there
are mechanisms in WS1 adequate for force
implementation of WS2 items despite resistance from
Icann management and Board.</b> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Paul Rosenzweig tentative defintiion of WS0
:<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;orphans:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">As
a result, I think that part of what we should be doing
in the long run is focusing on the core/critical 3-5
items that are absolutely essential to ensuring
accountability. In short, I think there is actually a
sub-category of WS1 (call it <b>WS0</b> for want of a
better term) that would be fundamental red-lines for the
community. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Alan Greenberg's concern : <br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre style="orphans: 2;text-align:-webkit-auto;widows: 2;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;font-size:inherit;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Needs to demontrate why items in WS1 or WS2 are needed as a consequence of the NTIA transition. </span><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
Comment from Becky Burr :<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Understands
the community to say there were certain basic
accountability mechanisms that would enable them to feel
comfortable with the IANA transition, these may not be
directly related to the transition itself. What we need
from WS1 is the community feels comfortable that tools are
in place to continue the work to create real and
meaningful accountability. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-----------------------------------<br>
Proposal submitted for comments (to be presented and initially
discussed during tomorrow's call):
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">WS1
mechanisms are those that, when in place or committed to,
would provide the community with confidence that any
accountability mechanism that would further enhance Icann's
accountability would be implemented if it had consensus
support from the community, even if it were to encounter
Icann management resistance or if it were against the
interest of Icann as a corporate entity. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Mathieu WEILL<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>AFNIC - directeur général<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Tél: +33 1 39 30 83 06<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Twitter : @mathieuweill<o:p></o:p></pre>
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Mathieu WEILL
AFNIC - directeur général
Tél: +33 1 39 30 83 06
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Twitter : @mathieuweill
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