<div dir="ltr">Dear All,<div>1. Does belonging to a community make you a member of ICANN ?</div><div>2, If yes, what is the accepted number for representation ?</div><div>3. If limited, what defines accredited delegates as members ?</div><div>4. If the word Community accommodates Stakeholders (Multi-Stakeholders), can government be exempted ?</div><div>5. How does ICANN define representation ?</div><div><br></div><div>-Akinbo.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net" target="_blank">ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Dear Tijani,<br>
<br>
The first use of a phrase, e.g., "stakeholder" in the context of
persistent identifier to resource association over interconnecting
datagram networks, by some author, e.g., the organizers and
participants of a meeting, is incidental to the scope of the
benefits of persistent identifier to resource association over
interconnecting datagram networks.<br>
<br>
The beneficiaries during the hosttables period included government
funded research universities, government agencies, and government
contractors, and, using similar mechanisms, private and public
institutions, including governments, and the first
subscriber-based and otherwise unrestricted "public access"
providers.<br>
<br>
Over time both SRI and its data consumers transitioned from
hosttables to the DNS, and users of similar mechanisms
transitioned to the DNS, and the benefit expanded to include
support for persistent identifiers in scripts other then Latin,
e.g., Arabic Script, Han Script, Hangul Script, Cyrillic Script,
... <br>
<br>
Were we to take the notion of "Stakeholder" from any time prior to
the addition of support for these scripts to the IANA root zone,
users of those scripts could be considered "customers" of the
Verisign IDN testbed, but not "stakeholders" in the community
which participates in the technical coordination of unique global
endpoint identifiers -- the "ICANN community". Even today, as a
speaker of minority languages, using extended Latin Script
characters, and Scripts not yet present in the IANA root zone, I
don't consider my language communities, as communities or
institutions, at this point in time, to be "Stakeholders". <br>
<br>
Ironically, a MENOG mailing dropped into my inbox while reviewing
the paragraph above -- ICANN has openings for IDN Program Managers
-- in Istanbul and Singapore -- which are unlikely to be competent
to address the needs of speakers of the Indigenous Languages of
the Americas. Clearly we are not yet "Stakeholders".<br>
<br>
All this is simply to develop your point that the definition of
"stakeholder" were to be static the consequences would be
unfortunate, and on a very large scale.<br>
<br>
Finally, as a friendly nuisance (or nuance), the parents, siblings
and extended family members of students have an interest in the
schools their school age dependents attend, as do the taxpayers
(public schools) and donors (private schools), textbook vendors,
lower level schools (student producers) and higher level general
and vocational schools (student consumers), as well as the
community as a whole.<br>
<br>
This little bit simply to say it is more than students, teachers
and staff that make a school.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<br>
Eric Brunner-Williams<br>
Eugene, Oregon <br><span class="">
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On 1/12/15 9:59 AM, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote:<br>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365f91" lang="EN-US">Bruce, Kavouss and all,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365f91" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365f91" lang="EN-US">Stakeholders were defined for the first
time in the World Summit on Information Society (WSIS) as:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#365f91" lang="EN-US"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365f91" lang="EN-US">Governments<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#365f91" lang="EN-US"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365f91" lang="EN-US">International
Organizations<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#365f91" lang="EN-US"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365f91" lang="EN-US">Private
Sector<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#365f91" lang="EN-US"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365f91" lang="EN-US">Civil
Society<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365f91" lang="EN-US">Where Academic and Technical community were
included in the civil society. And then, the international
organization was
dropped and Civil society was split in 2 parts: Civil
Society and Academic and
technical community.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365f91" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365f91" lang="EN-US">I don’t think this definition is static
and believe that stakeholders for the WSIS couldn’t be other
thing that the 4 listed
components because it was used to make the civil society
activists participate
in the room instead of demonstrating outside and having
confrontation with the
police.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365f91" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365f91" lang="EN-US">In a school, we can define 3
stakeholders: teachers, staff and students since the
interest of each of those
components is different. In ICANN, you have civil society in
At-Large and the
non commercial stakeholder group in the GNSO. You may also
find them in other
SO and AC. You may find private sector in the GNSO, ccNSO,
SSAC, etc. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365f91" lang="EN-US">Defining the ICANN stakeholders as Civil
Society, Governments, Private sector and technical and
academic community is
not relevant in my point of view; they are more At-Large,
Registries, Registrars,
business constituency, non commercial stakeholder group,
GAC, etc…. because
those group have each its own interest and the
multi-stakeholder model is
intended to represent the interest of the whole community.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365f91" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</span><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365f91" lang="EN-US">Coming back to the global public interest,
it was clearly explained in the articles to be the <b>benefit
of the</b> </span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365f91" lang="EN-US">public and not the private gain of any person
(financial, political,
etc.).<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365f91" lang="EN-US">The public</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365f91" lang="EN-US"> is
everyone, and the global public interest is the common
interest of all this
public.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Director<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p>-----Message d'origine-----<br>
De : <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>] De
la part de Bruce
Tonkin<br>
Envoyé : samedi 10 janvier 2015 12:22<br>
À : <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
Objet : Re: [CCWG-Accountability] the term "community"<u></u><u></u></p>
<p><u></u> <u></u></p>
</span><p>Hello Kavouss,<u></u><u></u></p><div><div class="h5">
<p><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p>>> I have one question which
continued to bother
me as everyone refers to "community"<u></u><u></u></p>
<p><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p>>> What is that magic term
"community»
covers?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p>>> Does it includes or embrace
the entire
multistakeholders?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p>>> As it was discussed at
several occasion,
there is a defacto agreement that ,generally speaking
multistakeholder composed of Civil Society, Private Sector,
Technical Community including academics,
Governments <u></u><u></u></p>
<p><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p>I think that is a good question, and
probably worth this
group considering some definitions around that topic.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p>For me personally, I tend to think of
the terms in the
following way:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p>"ICANN Community" - this is the group of
people
that participate in the various ICANN working groups via
email, phone, or
websites, and attend ICANN meetings. This group is made
up of individuals
from GNSO constituencies and stakeholder groups, GAC, SSAC,
ALAC, RSSAC, ccTLD
representatives, RIR representatives etc. In my personal
view, it is
multi-stakeholder in that it includes people from Civil
Society, Private
Sector, Technical Community including academics,
Governments. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p>In addition to that there is a wider
community of people
that are members of the various organizations that are in turn
members of the
various groups that comprise the ICANN community. As an
example, I am a
member of the Internet Society of Australia (ISOC) which is
part of the Asia,
Australasia and the Pacific Islands Regional At-Large
Organisation (APRALO)
which is part of At-large. ISOC in Australia may send a
representative to
ICANN meetings. A business might be a member of a
chamber of commerce or
business association, which in turn could be a member of the
ICANN business
constituency, and that chamber of commerce or business
association may send a
representative to an ICANN meeting as a member of the ICANN
community. I
don't have any specific name for this wider group of people
and organizations.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p>Then there is term "public" which is
used
within the term "global public interest". In general, I
personally
think of the public in this context as Internet users.
However you could also
consider public in this context to be all the people of the
world. Even
people that don't directly use the Internet as a communication
mechanism are
probably affected by it in some way.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p>The fundamental responsibility of the
Board of ICANN is
to exercise their judgment to act in what they reasonably
believe to be the
best interests of the global public interest, taking account
of the interests
of the Internet community as a whole rather than any
individual group or
interest. Its primary feedback mechanism for determining
the global public
interest is the "ICANN community" described above.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p>Regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Bruce Tonkin<u></u><u></u></p>
<p><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p><u></u> <u></u></p>
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