<div dir="ltr">+1 to Matthew Shears for putting the original and the new version TOGETHER</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;;font-variant:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:arial"><b style="font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font size="4">Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez</font></b><div style="font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:small">_________<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Apartado 1571-1000</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><b>COSTA RICA</b></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div></div></span></span></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Matthew Shears <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org" target="_blank">mshears@cdt.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    Not to belabor this much more, and I may be being pedantic...<br>
    <br>
    It appears to read as if WS1 is about putting in place mechanisms
    that <span lang="EN-US">&quot;provide the community with confidence&quot;</span>
    but not specifically about putting in place accountability
    mechanisms or measures.  There is a big difference between putting
    in in place process mechanisms to provide confidence (as it now
    seems to imply) and putting in place actual accountability
    mechanisms which is what the original definition suggested.  The
    second definition is fine for so long as it explicitly includes the
    first as well.  <br>
    <br>
    It might be better if it read something like:<br>
    <br>
    <b><span lang="EN-US">Work Stream 1</span></b><span lang="EN-US">:
      is focused on mechanisms that 1) enhance ICANN&#39;s accountability
      and must be in place or committed to within the time frame of the
      IANA Stewardship Transition</span>, and 2) <span lang="EN-US">that
      provide the community with confidence that any accountability
      measures that would further enhance ICANN&#39;s accountability would
      be implemented if it had consensus support from the community,
      even if it were to encounter ICANN management resistance or if it
      were against the interest of ICANN as a corporate entity.</span><br>
    <br>
    Matthew<div><div class="h5"><br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>On 1/15/2015 10:40 AM, Jordan Carter
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">I agree with Paul, Mathieu etc - the Charter
        language is the skeleton. The language proposed sets out to
        characterise why we would select items - i.e. why they have to
        be done before the transition.
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        </div>
        <div>We have to set out transparently the criteria we are using
          to decide what has to be in place. This language helps do
          that. </div>
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        <div>best</div>
        <div>Jordan</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 16 January 2015 at 04:17, Kavouss
          Arasteh <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
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              <div><font color="#1f497d"> Dear All,</font></div>
              <div><font color="#1f497d">I do not understand who agreed
                  with whom</font></div>
              <div><font color="#1f497d">What has been changed from the
                  Charter.</font></div>
              <div><font color="#1f497d">I personally fully agree with
                  the following</font></div>
              <div><font color="#1f497d">Quote</font></div>
              <div><font color="#1f497d">&quot;<strong><em><u> in the absence
                        “</u></em></strong></font><strong><em><u>mechanisms
                      [that] would provide the community with confidence
                      that any accountability  mechanism that would
                      further enhance ICANN&#39;s accountability ( in
                      relation with work stream 1 of CCWG ,for three
                      distinct areas , Naming, Numbers and Protocols,
                      including parameter ) could be implemented if it
                      had consensus support from the community” the IANA
                      Functions transition should not occur.&quot; </u></em></strong></div>
              <div><strong><em><u>Unquote</u></em></strong></div>
              <span><font color="#888888">
                  <div><u><br>
                    </u></div>
                  <div><u>Kavouss </u></div>
                </font></span></div>
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                  <div>2015-01-15 16:06 GMT+01:00 Edward
                    Morris <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:emorris@milk.toast.net" target="_blank">emorris@milk.toast.net</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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                          <div>Paul has eloquently expressed my views in
                            a manner far superior to anything I could
                            write. Thanks. </div>
                          <div> </div>
                          <div>One could argue that our current system
                            of accountability and transparency
                             (reconsideration, Appeal, CEP, IR, DIDP),
                            with some tweaks,  should actually be
                            sufficient going forward. It looks great: on
                            paper. The problem is that a system designed
                            for redress (per Bruce) actually functions
                            as a system of review (per Robin), and a
                            rather cursory review system at that. We
                            simply must have mechanisms designed to
                            ensure that we have real systems of
                            accountability, ones that does not rely on
                            the good faith and open-mindedness of any
                            particular Board or staff member or group,
                            in place before the transition can be
                            allowed to occur.  </div>
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                            <div>
                              <blockquote style="padding-right:0px;padding-left:5px;margin-right:0px;margin-left:5px;border-left-color:rgb(0,0,0);border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid">-----Original
                                Message-----<br>
                                From: &quot;Paul Rosenzweig&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a>&gt;<br>
                                To: &quot;&#39;Tijani BEN JEMAA&#39;&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@fmai.org.tn" target="_blank">tijani.benjemaa@fmai.org.tn</a>&gt;,
                                &lt;<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>&gt;<br>
                                Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 09:22:26 -0500<br>
                                Subject: Re: [CCWG-Accountability] Work
                                Streams definition<br>
                                 
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                                  <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Respetful
                                      disagreement.  I think the way it
                                      describes types of mechanisms in
                                      the “new” definition is exactly
                                      what needs to be in place before
                                      the Stewardship transition takes
                                      place.  Put another way, I think
                                      that the exposition in WS1
                                      precisely describes the
                                      commitments that MUST be made
                                      before a transition is allowed to
                                      occur.  More importantly, I think
                                      there is growing consensus across
                                      the community that this is so.  To
                                      state it affirmatively – in the
                                      absence “</span>mechanisms [that]
                                    would provide the community with
                                    confidence that any accountability
                                     mechanism that would further
                                    enhance ICANN&#39;s accountability would
                                    be implemented if it had consensus
                                    support from the community” the IANA
                                    Functions transition should not
                                    occur.</div>
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                                  <div class="MsoNormal">Paul</div>
                                  <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:rgb(192,0,0)">**NOTE: 
                                          OUR NEW ADDRESS -- EFFECTIVE
                                          12/15/14 ***</span></b></div>
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                                        C St. NE
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                                    <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Washington,
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                                    <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Paul
                                        Rosenzweig
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                                      <div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b>
                                        <span style="color:windowtext">
                                          Tijani BEN JEMAA [mailto:<a href="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@fmai.org.tn" target="_blank">tijani.benjemaa@fmai.org.tn</a>]<br>
                                          <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January
                                          15, 2015 4:53 AM<br>
                                          <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
                                          <b>Subject:</b>
                                          [CCWG-Accountability] Work
                                          Streams definition
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                                  <div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:115%"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="FR">Dear all,</span></div>
                                  <div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:115%"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="FR"> </span></div>
                                  <div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:115%"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">
                                      I read again the new proposed
                                      definition of the Work Streams,
                                      and I found it too different from
                                      the one in our charter:</span></div>
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                                       </span></div>
                                  <div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:115%"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">
                                      In the charter:</span></div>
                                  <div style="margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="color:rgb(1,1,1);font-family:Symbol"><span>
                                        ·<span>
                                                  </span></span></span>
                                    <b>Work Stream 1</b>: focused on
                                    mechanisms enhancing ICANN
                                    accountability that must be in place
                                    or committed to within the time
                                    frame of the IANA Stewardship
                                    Transition;<span style="background:white;color:rgb(1,1,1);font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,serif"></span></div>
                                  <div style="margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="color:rgb(1,1,1);font-family:Symbol"><span>
                                        ·<span>
                                                  </span></span></span>
                                    <b>Work Stream 2</b>: focused on
                                    addressing accountability topics for
                                    which a timeline for developing
                                    solutions and full implementation
                                    may extend beyond the IANA
                                    Stewardship Transition<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span style="background:white;color:rgb(1,1,1);font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,serif">
                                    </span></div>
                                  <div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:115%"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">
                                       </span></div>
                                  <div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:115%"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">
                                      The new proposal:</span></div>
                                  <div style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:35.45pt"><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span>
                                                  </span></span></span>
                                    <b>Work Stream 1</b> mechanisms are
                                    those that, when in place or
                                    committed to, would provide the
                                    community with confidence that any
                                    accountability  mechanism that would
                                    further enhance ICANN&#39;s
                                    accountability would be implemented
                                    if it had consensus support from the
                                    community, even if it were to
                                    encounter ICANN management
                                    resistance or if it were against the
                                    interest of ICANN as a corporate
                                    entity. 
                                  </div>
                                  <div style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:35.45pt"><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span>
                                                  </span></span></span>
                                    All other consensus items could be
                                    in <b>Work Stream 2</b>, provided
                                    there are mechanisms in WS1 adequate
                                    to force implementation of WS2 items
                                    despite resistance from ICANN
                                    management and board.</div>
                                  <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span>
                                  </div>
                                  <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I
                                      don’t believe that we are allowed
                                      to change any part of the charter
                                      without going back to the
                                      chartering organizations and ask
                                      for their approval.</span>
                                  </div>
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                                  <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">On
                                      the other hand, the separation of
                                      WS 1 and WS 2 was for the purpose
                                      of having the accountability
                                      mechanisms necessary before the
                                      transition done in time, and the
                                      new definition doesn’t satisfy
                                      this requirement </span></div>
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                                  <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I
                                      would prefer stay with the charter
                                      definition for all those reasons</span></div>
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                                  <div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:rgb(23,54,93)">Tijani
                                        BEN JEMAA
                                      </span></b></div>
                                  <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(23,54,93)">Executive
                                      Director
                                    </span></div>
                                  <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(23,54,93)">Mediterranean
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                                    </span></div>
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