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<div>I do not post often (see good advice from Roelof), but agree completely with Keith. </div>
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<div>The quantity (too high) and quality (too low) of posts on this list is making it nearly impossible to stay current. Can we ask that traffic be reduced only to those substantive discussions that move our work forward? </div>
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<div>I promise to commit myself to the same.<br>
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On Jan 17, 2015, at 09:37, Drazek, Keith <<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>I request that personal, non-substantive differences between individual members/participants be resolved off-list so the group can remain focused on our work. I think we can all be accountable for keeping the discourse professional and respectful. </div>
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<div>Thanks and regards, </div>
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On Jan 17, 2015, at 1:52 AM, "Dr Eberhard W Lisse" <<a href="mailto:el@lisse.na">el@lisse.na</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Dear Thomas and co-chairs</div>
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<div>thank you very much for your reply.</div>
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<div>I disagree with your statement that this should be done off list. It MUST be done on the same forum where it occurs. If only for accountability. </div>
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<div>I for one will post and say whatever I want wherever I want, though as you have noted without being disruptive and through the co-chairs, which is a recognized device in deliberative organizations, for example quoted from:</div>
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<div>for your convenience:</div>
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<div><span style="font-size: medium; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Speaking through the chair</span></div>
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<p style="margin: 8px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">When addressing another member, you never go wrong by speaking through the chair. Refrain from using the member's name if you can avoid it. Respect
is conveyed by depersonalizing comments made in debate. For example, "Mr. Chairman, does the member who just spoke have information on the cost of his proposal?" works much better than, "Dang it Fred, have you thought about how much your stupid idea is gonna
cost us?" Formality has its benefits.</span></p>
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<div>greetings, el</div>
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On Jan 16, 2015, at 22:21, Thomas Rickert <<a href="mailto:rickert@anwaelte.de">rickert@anwaelte.de</a>> wrote:<br>
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<span>we have been addressed as co-chairs to take action based on various comments and complaints issued by Dr. Eberhard Lisse.</span><br>
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<span>We take good note of the complaints and plan to discuss this with Dr. Lisse when we meet in Frankfurt.</span><br>
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<span>We do not think that a public mailing list is the right forum issue nor to respond to the complaints. Complaints, if any, should be addressed to us offlist to allow us to deal with them appropriately.</span><br>
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<span>At the same time, we would like to encourage the whole group to focus on the plethora of questions we have to work on and thank Roelof for reminding us of the wise encouragement to be conservative in what we send and liberal in what we receive.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Am 15.01.2015 um 23:46 schrieb Dr Eberhard W Lisse <<a href="mailto:el@lisse.na">el@lisse.na</a>>:</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Dear Co-Chairs,</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>I wish to file a formal complaint about the disorder during the last</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>After an apparent technical issue regarding Mr Arasteh, having being</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>allegedly repeatedly phoned under an incorrect number, when he</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>finally connected to the bridge he raised his voice and repeatedly</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>interrupted the chair, while not having the floor/having been</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>In 25 year of dealing with this stuff I have never experienced an</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>outburst like the one displayed by the ICG Liaison and Participant.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>It is furthermore disturbing to me since the gentleman is a</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>I also believe that such conduct is unacceptable under ICANN's rules</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>of behavior but in any case it is not acceptable to me and I demand</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>that steps are taken to prevent this from happening again.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Non withstanding the above I suppose an investigation into the</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>and I for one look forward into find out what actually happened and</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>what can be done to prevent this from happening again, if anything.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>That said, I notice with alarming regularly issues with individuals</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>This is equally disturbing and hence I would appreciate if this</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>I for one am setting aside some time on TechDay on Monday of the</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>ICANN meeting in Singapore, for an Adobe Workshop of sorts, where we</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>could among other issues demonstrate how one can not only listen but</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>also speak (directly) through the net, ie without requiring a dial</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Then there is the possibility to use Skype's dial out which works,</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>free of charge to US based toll free numbers.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Finally, I use a privately owned Asterix switchboard via a (Bria 3)</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>soft-phone on my Mac to dial a UK based toll free number, which</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>I have asked Bart Boswinkel a while back to look into setting up SIP</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>access of sort, I could envisage an Asterix server which only allows</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>the dialing of toll free numbers (related to ICANN work). I have</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>This is not meant as criticism, in particular not of the chairs, who</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>greetings, el</span><br>
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