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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Becky,<br>
<br>
Thank you.<br>
<br>
Let's assume "they" are Jones Day, in their capacity as external
counsel, and also assume "ICANN will have to pay them", and the
question on which advice is sought is whether, as organized, or
under some reorganization scenario, an "oversight" function may be
exercised over the Board, without change to the incorporation
status (Cal. Non-profit & IRS 501(c)(3)).<br>
<br>
The Board already has, as someone pointed out, referring to a 1pp
note, tasked legal staff to provide an answer to the question.<br>
<br>
The proposal to retain "they", for a reasonable fee paid by ICANN,
to produce a responsive memo to a question for which the Board has
chosen to be informed by its in-house counsel, _is_ a proposal to
conduct that very oversight (an action taken in the absence of, or
contrary to, some act by the Board, here not electing to refer the
question to external counsel) upon which an opinion is sought --
not by the Board, but by (assuming a process outcome) this WG, or
some members of this WG.<br>
<br>
This WG, like any WG, may recommend actions, but taking the step
to conduct an action of oversight, to determine if oversight may
exist without reference beyond California's non-profit
incorporation language and case law, is that very oversight.<br>
<br>
Third-party money, fine. An unsolicited memo thrown over the
transom, fine. Persuade the Board to direct the Executive, fine.
On any question not previously considered, or not known to be
under present, or planned consideration, by the Board, fine. But
oversight by an inferior organ (us) to determine if oversight of a
superior organ (Board) is possible -- a question previously
considered by the Board -- answers the hypothetical with the
actual. It crosses a Rubicon.<br>
<br>
In an aside to Greg and the word "adequate", my thought when
selecting that word was that an opinion which prevailed when
tested at the appellate level, in California, where issues of law
are considered, in California, would be adequate.<br>
<br>
I'm not entirely happy with personalizing a question, and at some
point the process for resolving differences of views among those
concerned -- this or any other -- must be referenced.<br>
<br>
Again, thanks to Becky, Greg, and others who've provided
thoughtful, considered, and differing views on this issue.<br>
<br>
Eric Brunner-Williams<br>
Eugene, Oregon<br>
<br>
On 1/22/15 9:58 AM, Burr, Becky wrote:<br>
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<div><span style="font-size: 16px;"><font face="Consolas">Responding
to Eric’s question re independent counsel, my responses are
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas">If one of the "free, soon, adequate" requirements
can be waived, then</span><span style="font-family:
Consolas; font-size: 12pt;">even I don't have my view, but
the legal staff do meet those criteria,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas">and their client is the corporation, which is
capable of reorganization, a subject of interest for the
purposes of exploring the "member" and "oversight" sets of
issues.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:Consolas;color:#3366FF">I
don’t think ICANN staff is adequate, for the reasons
described below. Even if someone at Jones Day could be,
ICANN will have to pay them, which knocks out that
requirement.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas">I'm glad you mention fiduciary duty as there are
no shareholders, rather stewards of the public trust
exercising reasonable care, inquisitive ...the strictest
standard of duty of care in American law. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:Consolas;color:#3366FF">This
is one reason that I think we need to go outside. ICANN
Legal has asserted that the Board members have a fiduciary
duty to the
<u>corporation</u>, and that duty precludes them from
agreeing to a binding dispute resolution mechanism. I have
never heard them say that they have a duty under
California law to the public trust, or suggest that such a
duty trumps any obligation is may have to serve as the
steward of a public interest. <o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas">As many members of the community having a material
interest in unique endpoint identifiers are employed by
for-profit entities with shareholders, the same meaning may
not be conveyed when we use the same phrase.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:Consolas;color:#3366FF">Not
sure I understand your point here<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas">Would you do me the kindness (at some point in the
proximal future, it </span><span style="font-family:
Consolas; font-size: 12pt;">isn't urgent) of providing a URL
to the conclusion, and perhaps the</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas">supporting analysis, of the Berkman Center during
the first ATRT review? I'm interested in which legal
positions by the Corporation's legal staff they found in
need of additional research.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:Consolas;color:#3366FF">The
statement I referenced is actually in the Berkman ATRT1
Recommendations:
</span></i><i><span style="font-family:Consolas;
mso-bidi-font-family:Consolas"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/proposed-recommendations-20oct10-en.pdf">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/proposed-recommendations-20oct10-en.pdf</a>.
<span style="color:#3366FF">The following is from page 46:<o:p></o:p></span></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas;color:#3366FF"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:1.0in;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:
none;text-autospace:none">
<span style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas;color:#3366FF">In the course of broad
consultations, ATRT received feedback to the effect that
ICANN could enter into agreements with parties that called
for binding arbitration without running afoul of California
law. While this latitude could apply in a contractual
context<b>, it is less clear and deserves further legal
analysis as to what extent and through what mechanisms
ICANN could agree to enter into binding arbitration more
generally</b>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas">Again, were we constituted externally by some
other corporate entity,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas">then retaining our legal counsel rather than
relying upon the legal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas">counsel of the subject of our inquiry, concerning
its reorganization,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas">would be necessary for the reason you mention --
the ethical duty of<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas">counsel towards its clients -- but we -- the
CCWG-whatever -- are not,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas">and staff -- all of staff, from IT to Legal, as
resources allocated by<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas">the executive, are available to us. Absent a
refusal to allocate or a<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas">demonstration of incompetence, why shouldn't we
expect an adequate work product from staff counsel?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:Consolas;color:#3366FF">I
was actually thinking of the ethical obligations of ICANN
staff attorneys and outside counsel. Given that ICANN has
asserted that the Board’s fiduciary duty under California
law prohibits the board from ceding authority to a binding
dispute resolution procedure in this context, we already
know that they have taken a position that is contrary to
the community’s desire. Given that, as well as the
Berkman Center’s conclusion that this issue deserved
further legal analysis, I don’t know how we could consider
the staff/outside counsel to be unconflicted in this
situation. (For the record, I am not sure that binding
authority is absolutely necessary – depends on what other
tools are available, e.g., spilling the Board. Based on
the what I heard in Frankfurt, however, the community sees
this as an important tool for accountability.)<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:
Consolas">Thank you for your kind note, and on the
International Law issue, which to me seems excessively
speculative, I share your remark.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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