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<div>I wonder in which direction you would see a solution to this, Eberhard. To work properly, and especially if that influence will increase, the influence of stakeholders will have to be organized in one way or another. </div>
<div>Which is probably why the SO’s and AC’s were created. </div>
<div>Without them, I suggest, there would be a lot more noise, combined with (even) less progress. Could a gathering of all individual stakeholders ever come up with any useful decision on the crucial subjects that we forsee?</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Eberhard Lisse <<a href="mailto:el@lisse.na">el@lisse.na</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>woensdag 28 januari 2015 06:33<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>CCWG Accountability <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"<a href="mailto:directors@omadhina.net">directors@omadhina.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:directors@omadhina.net">directors@omadhina.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] got some lawyerly answers on membership structure<br>
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<div>Will not fly, because for example not all ccTLD Managers are members of the ccNSO, and nothing prevents a ccTLD Manager from leaving to become unbound by ccNSO developed ICANN Policy.</div>
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<div>And the structures are so diverse internally that once someone is elected a recall is never going to happen.</div>
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On Jan 28, 2015, at 03:32, Drazek, Keith <<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Rudolph,</div>
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<div>In this context, ICANN's "shareholders" or "members" would be the elected or appointed Chairs of the existing ICANN community's bottom-up, consensus-based, multi-stakeholder structures. If those Chairs aren't ethical, then they could and should be replaced
by their respective groups. I believe this would give us a built-in and permanent accountability loop rooted in the multi-stakeholder system, which is precisely what NTIA has asked for. </div>
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On Jan 27, 2015, at 6:50 PM, "Rudolph Daniel" <<a href="mailto:rudi.daniel@gmail.com">rudi.daniel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">No nuance missing Jonathan. :)<br>
Likening to shareholders reminded me that shareholders are not always ethical in their pursuit of accountability.<br>
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<p dir="ltr">On Jan 27, 2015 6:58 PM, "Jonathan Zuck" <<a href="mailto:JZuck@actonline.org">JZuck@actonline.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hmmm. I guess “we” is the community that have reached a fairly solid consensus that new accountability mechanisms need to be put in place at ICANN. And the role “we” seek them to play is exactly what EBW outlined below as aspirational. The issue is structural
reform that empowers the community to hold the board of ICANN accountable going forward. Likening it to “shareholder” accountability is not about turning ICANN into a commercial organization, merely addressing concerns surrounding liability. What nuance am
I missing here?<br>
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> From: Rudolph Daniel [mailto:<a href="mailto:rudi.daniel@gmail.com">rudi.daniel@gmail.com</a>]
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> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 5:55 PM<br>
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> Cc: Accountability Cross Community; Eric Brunner-Williams<br>
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> Not sure I get who 'we' is and 'seek them to play' ? <br>
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> On Jan 27, 2015 6:44 PM, "Jonathan Zuck" <<a href="mailto:JZuck@actonline.org">JZuck@actonline.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> Agree but the point of accountability mechanisms is to ensure the board continues to play the role we seek them to play.<br>
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>> From: <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>] On
Behalf Of Rudolph Daniel<br>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 5:38 PM<br>
>> To: Eric Brunner-Williams<br>
>> Cc: Accountability Cross Community<br>
>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] got some lawyerly answers on membership structure<br>
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>> I would think, and certainly it has been suggested elsewhere that public accountably be less of the shareholder kind and more of the ethical variety.<br>
>> RD<br>
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>> On Jan 27, 2015 3:04 PM, "Eric Brunner-Williams" <<a href="mailto:ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net">ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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>>> All,<br>
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>>> I would not like to see the Board's duty as stewards of the public trust -- exercising reasonable care, inquisitive, ... the strictest standard of duty of care in American law -- reduced to the pursuit of quarterly profits maximization prevalent in for-profit
Boards.<br>
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>>>> ICANN’s Board of Directors would become accountable to the community, in much the same way that the Boards of publicly-traded companies are ultimately accountable to their shareholders.<br>
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>>> I suggest our standards are, by initial design, higher than the likeness proposed.<br>
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>>> Eric Brunner-Williams<br>
>>> Eugene, Oregon<br>
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