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Hi,<br>
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Right, and that is why instead of abandoning them as ZERO, we need
to get them into the by-laws with a sticky bit.<br>
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avri<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 29-Jan-15 17:45, Drazek, Keith
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Exactly.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>How would NTIA re-tender the IANA
functions contract after it ceases to be a counter-party
post-transition? This is precisely why our CCWG
Accountability exists.</span></p>
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The AoC is voluntary and unless the key accountability &
transparency components are incorporated into the by-laws
(among other reforms) BEFORE transition, there will be
nothing holding ICANN to those commitments AFTER transition.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Is this not apparent?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Keith</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jordan Carter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 29, 2015 5:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Eric Brunner-Williams<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Accountability Cross Community<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] The big test of effective
accountability</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Eric:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think the USG would be highly
displeased.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For what it is worth, I think that the
accountability created by the NTIA contract, and the fact
that the USG is seeking to end that arrangement, is why we
are all having this conversation in the first place.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Without the contract, what do you think
the USG would do?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The point is not whether the Board
intends or does not intend to end the AOC. I have no doubt
it has no such desire. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The point is, in the post-NTIA-contract
world, what would we want to be able to do about it?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">best</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jordan</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 30 January 2015 at 11:30, Eric
Brunner-Williams <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net" target="_blank">ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Steve, Jordan, and anyone else so
inclined,<br>
<br>
Would you care to offer your best guess(es) as to the
response of the Government of the United States were
the Corporation to engage in the course of conduct
proposed?<br>
<br>
I suspect it would look suspiciously similar to
something we've seen before, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ntia.doc.gov/files/ntia/publications/fr_ianafunctionsnoi_02252011.pdf"
target="_blank">
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/files/ntia/publications/fr_ianafunctionsnoi_02252011.pdf</a><br>
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Have either of you (or others sharing the concern
expressed by Steve and Jordan) any indication that the
Board is or ever has considered unilateral termination
of the AoC?
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<span><br>
<span class="hoenzb">Eric Brunner-Williams</span><br>
<span class="hoenzb">Eugene, Oregon</span></span></p>
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On 1/29/15 2:14 PM, Jordan Carter wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 30 January 2015 at
11:07, Eric Brunner-Williams <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net"
target="_blank">ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 1/29/15 1:58 PM, Steve
DelBianco wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Okay, so Jonathan
exaggerated a bit by saying we have zero
accountability today. But Avri admits we
have no mechanisms that are binding on the
board. And Avri cites the AoC, which can be
canceled by ICANN at any time.</p>
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Would you be so kind as to offer support for
this ... peculiar claim?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From section 11 of the
AOC:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">"<span>Any party may
terminate this Affirmation of
Commitments by providing 120 days
written notice to the other party.</span>" </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/affirmation-of-commitments-2009-09-30-en"
target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/affirmation-of-commitments-2009-09-30-en</a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://duckduckgo.com" target="_blank">duckduckgo.com</a>
is often your friend.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jordan</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-- </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jordan Carter<br>
<br>
Chief Executive <br>
<b>InternetNZ</b><br>
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Chief Executive <br>
<b>InternetNZ</b><br>
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04 495 2118 (office) | +64 21 442 649 (mob)<br>
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Skype: jordancarter<br>
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