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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Steve,<br>
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Nothing?<br>
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There remains the role of the USG, and its contractor, Verisign,
as two of the three parties to the Root Zone Partners. <br>
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There remains the NRO with its increasing distinct stewardship
responsibility.<br>
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There remains the IETF/IAB with its increasing distinct
stewardship responsibility.<br>
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As hypos this, and your flight-to-avoid-jurisdiction, may be fun
and games speculatively, though not rising to the level of "gunmen
menace the periodic review team" of the ALAC scenarios, but it
assumes either wild wrecklessness on the part of some fairly sane
people -- ICANN blows off the IP and DNS components of what is a
semi-stable troika, or sudden onset blindness on the part of some
fairly sane people -- the IP and DNS components blithly following
an erratic executive shredding accountability agreements.<br>
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There are less unlikely scenarios that deserve more attention.<br>
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As for Peter, in the course of his many years as Board Chair he's
said many things, some right and some wrong.<br>
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The Board has a liaison and his expression in the present would be
pertinent, that of a past member of the Board only possibly
informative. <br>
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Eric Brunner-Williams<br>
Eugene, Oregon<br>
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On 1/29/15 2:47 PM, Steve DelBianco wrote:<br>
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<div>Eric — Your first question helps make my point: After the
USG lets of of IANA contract leverage, there is nothing they
could do to hold ICANN to the Affirmation of Commitments. </div>
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<div>Within a year of signing the AoC, Peter Dengate Thrush
told a group of EU Representatives that he saw the
Affirmation as a temporary arrangement ICANN would like to
eventually terminate. (22-Jun-2010, at a dinner hosted by
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<div>At a breakfast with the entire Board the next day, I
asked ICANN board members if the commitments in the
Affirmation should be permanently adopted as part of
ICANN's official charter. One board member immediately
disagreed, saying the AoC made no commitments that weren't
already in ICANN's bylaws. I responded that the
Affirmation includes important new commitments in
paragraphs 3, 4, 7, and 8 – even before we get to the
periodic reviews required in paragraph 9. </div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Eric
Brunner-Williams <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Thursday, January
29, 2015 at 5:30 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Jordan Carter <<a
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>Accountability
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re:
[CCWG-ACCT] The big test of effective accountability<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Steve, Jordan, and anyone else
so inclined,<br>
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Would you care to offer your best guess(es) as to the
response of the Government of the United States were the
Corporation to engage in the course of conduct proposed?<br>
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I suspect it would look suspiciously similar to something
we've seen before, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Have either of you (or others sharing the concern
expressed by Steve and Jordan) any indication that the
Board is or ever has considered unilateral termination of
the AoC?
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Eric Brunner-Williams<br>
Eugene, Oregon<br>
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On 1/29/15 2:14 PM, Jordan Carter wrote:<br>
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Okay, so Jonathan exaggerated a bit by saying
we have zero accountability today. But Avri
admits we have no mechanisms that are binding
on the board. And Avri cites the AoC, which
can be canceled by ICANN at any time.<br>
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</span>Would you be so kind as to offer support
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<div>From section 11 of the AOC:</div>
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<div>"<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51);
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this Affirmation of Commitments by providing 120
days written notice to the other party.</span>" </div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://duckduckgo.com">duckduckgo.com</a> is
often your friend.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Jordan Carter<br>
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Chief Executive <br>
<b>InternetNZ</b><br>
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Skype: jordancarter<br>
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