<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Dear Kavouss,</div><div><br></div><div>Indeed as you point out this is just for information and is not intended to direct an output from our group. </div><div><br></div><div>Best,<br><br><div>Mathieu Weill</div><div>---------------</div><div>Depuis mon mobile, désolé pour le style</div></div><div><br>Le 8 févr. 2015 à 18:02, Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Mathieu</div><div>Thank you very much for the kind effort</div><div><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
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</font><span style="color:rgb(1,1,1);line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">What are the benefits of discussing these note .I have no information
about the misalignment between the schedule of CCWG and CWG noir I can
identify the source or reasons for that. Consequently, it may not help to find
out whom we have to blame and there is no point to refer to what has happened</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(1,1,1);line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">In regard with the coordination actions being performed ,there is no need either to say about what we have done or what co chairs have done.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(1,1,1);line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Thanks to those efforts </span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(1,1,1);line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">As far as timeline is concerned, that issue does not require any discussion. They have done what they expected to be done</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(1,1,1);line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">With respect to :</span></div><ol><li><span style="color:rgb(1,1,1);line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:12pt"><em>"Legal advice can be obtained as shown in the timeline.</em></span></span></li></ol><div><span style="color:rgb(1,1,1);line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:12pt">Ok so far so good .This is just an information and no discussion is warranted </span></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(1,1,1);line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:12pt"><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt"><em>"Consensus can be reached in the community on a proposal as shown in the timeline."</em></span></font></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(1,1,1);line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:12pt"><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt">How we could envisage whether or not consensus could be obtained </span></font></span></div><div style="color:rgb(1,1,1);padding-left:0pt;font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt;margin-right:0pt;margin-left:5pt"><span style="color:rgb(1,1,1);line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:12pt"><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt">"'The chartering Stakeholder Organizations (SOs) and Advisory Committees (ACs) are able to approve the proposal in the 21 days shown in the timeline"<br>I have doubt about the practicability to that chartering organization could approve the results within that time limit. Let me at least take an example</span></font></span></div><div style="color:rgb(1,1,1);padding-left:0pt;font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt;margin-right:0pt;margin-left:5pt"><span style="color:rgb(1,1,1);line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:12pt"><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt">How GAC could approve the output without having a physical ( f2f ) meeting?</span></font></span></div><div style="color:rgb(1,1,1);padding-left:0pt;font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt;margin-right:0pt;margin-left:5pt"><span style="color:rgb(1,1,1);line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:12pt"><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(1,1,1);line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:12pt"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal"><span style="color:rgb(1,1,1);font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt"><em>"Next steps : </em></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal"><span style="color:rgb(1,1,1);font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt"><em>Still expects to base its proposal including the WS1 recommendations. </em></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal"><span style="color:rgb(1,1,1);font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt"><br><em></em></span></div><div align="left" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal"><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt"><em>"Then it will hopefully be able to quickly finalize a transition proposal that could include the recommendations of the CCWG Work Stream 1 recommendations and that has the strong support of all major components of the multistakeholder community."</em></span></font></div><div align="left" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal"><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt">How we would be able to comment on that wishful thinking ?</span></font></div><div align="left" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal"><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt">With regard to the section relating to proposal.</span></font></div><div align="left" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal"><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt">What is the point to discuss their proposal in CCWG</span></font></div><div align="left" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal"><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt">I suggest that we take note of your NOTE and forward it to WPs to examine</span></font></div><div align="left" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal"><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt"> whether they might have something to do about these statements </span></font></div><div align="left" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal"><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt"><br></span></font></div><div align="left" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal"><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt">In summary no discussion on the NOTE. However, we sincerely appreciate your actions and collections of comments/statement </span></font></div><div align="left" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal"><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt">Kavouss </span></font></div><div align="left" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal"><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt"><br></span></font></div></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-02-08 16:34 GMT+01:00 Mathieu Weill <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Dear colleagues,<br>
<br>
In anticipation of item 2 of our agenda tomorrow, I have reviewed
the CWG's discussion document and took some notes of what I found as
most relevant for our group. You will find these notes below FYI.
This is intended to facilitate tomorrow's discussions and of course
open for comments. <br>
<br>
Best<br>
Mathieu<br>
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<div style="">PROCESS : </div>
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<span style="">Mentions
the impact of the delay in starting the CCWG</span>
<ul style="">
<li style="color:rgb(1,1,1);padding-left:0pt;font-family:Symbol;font-size:12pt;margin-right:0pt;margin-left:5pt"><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt">The misalignment of the IANA
CWG’s and the Accountability CCWG’s schedules created
significant issues for both groups and has negatively
impacted the CWG’s ability to complete the development of
a transition proposal."</span></font></li>
</ul>
<div style=""><font color="#010101" face="Calibri" size="4"><br>
</font></div>
<div style=""><font color="#010101" face="Calibri" size="4">Coordination mentioned as one of the actions taken in
response to these conclusions </font></div>
<div style="">
<ul style="margin-top:0mm;margin-bottom:0mm">
<li style="color:rgb(1,1,1);padding-left:0pt;font-family:Symbol;font-size:12pt;margin-right:0pt;margin-left:5pt"><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt">The co-chairs have undertaken
discussion with the ICG and the CCWG to revise the CWG
schedule in order to present it at the Singapore
meeting.</span></font></li>
<li style="color:rgb(1,1,1);padding-left:0pt;font-family:Symbol;font-size:12pt;margin-right:0pt;margin-left:5pt"><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt">Steps were taken to improve and
further extend coordination of the work of the CWG and
the work of the CCWG Accountability, in particular its
work on work stream 1.</span></font></li>
</ul>
<div><span style="color:rgb(1,1,1);font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt"><span style="color:rgb(1,1,1);font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt"><br>
</span></span></div>
Mentions the revised timeline developed in coordination</div>
<div align="left" style=""><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt">A
revised timeline for the delivery of a CWG transition has
been developed, coordinated with the CCWG and communicated
to the ICG. The revised timeline can be found at (</span></font><a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/52887763/ICG-CWG-CCWG_timeline_20150129.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1422991643000&api=v2" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u>https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/52887763/ICG-CWG-CCWG_timeline_20150129.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1422991643000&api=v2</u></span></font></a><span> </span><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt">).
Note that it shows a best case scenario that provides for
delivering a proposal to the ICG in June 2015, assuming that
the following risk factors can be minimized:</span></font></div>
<ol style="">
<li style="color:rgb(1,1,1);padding-left:0pt;font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt;margin-right:0pt;margin-left:5pt"><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt">Legal advice can be obtained as
shown in the timeline.</span></font></li>
<li style="color:rgb(1,1,1);padding-left:0pt;font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt;margin-right:0pt;margin-left:5pt"><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt">Consensus can be reached in the
community on a proposal as shown in the timeline.</span></font></li>
<li style="color:rgb(1,1,1);padding-left:0pt;font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt;margin-right:0pt;margin-left:5pt"><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt">The chartering Stakeholder
Organizations (SOs) and Advisory Committees (ACs) are able
to approve the proposal in the 21 days shown in the
timeline.</span></font></li>
</ol>
<div style=""><span style="color:rgb(1,1,1);font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt"> </span></div>
<div style=""><span style="color:rgb(1,1,1);font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt">Next steps : </span></div>
<div style=""><span style="color:rgb(1,1,1);font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt">Still expects to base
its proposal including the WS1 recommendations. </span></div>
<div style=""><span style="color:rgb(1,1,1);font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt"><br>
</span></div>
<div align="left" style=""><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt">"Then
it will hopefully be able to quickly finalize a transition
proposal that could include the recommendations of the CCWG
Work Stream 1 recommendations and that has the strong
support of all major components of the multistakeholder
community."</span></font></div>
<div align="left" style=""><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt"><br>
</span></font></div>
<div align="left" style=""><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt"><br>
</span></font></div>
<div align="left" style=""><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt">PROPOSALS
:</span></font></div>
<div align="left" style=""><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt"><br>
</span></font></div>
<div align="left" style=""><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt">The
Independent Appeals Panel is a common point between both
models being discussed (Contract, Co. vs Trust model).</span></font></div>
<div align="left" style="">
<ul style="margin-top:0mm;margin-bottom:0mm">
<li style="color:rgb(1,1,1);padding-left:0pt;font-family:Symbol;font-size:12pt;margin-right:0pt;margin-left:5pt"><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt">Independent Appeals Panel (IAP)
–All decisions and actions (including deliberate
inaction) of the IANA Functions Operator that affect the
Root Zone or Root Zone WHOIS database would be subject
to an independent and binding appeals panel. The appeals
mechanism should also cover any policy implementation
actions that affect the execution of changes to the Root
Zone File or Root Zone WHOIS and how relevant policies
are applied. Note that the appeals mechanism for
ccTLDs, if any, may look very different than for gTLDs.</span></font></li>
</ul>
<div><font color="#010101" face="Calibri" size="4"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font color="#010101" face="Calibri" size="4">One of the
option, the Internal Bylaw model, rests upon the principle
of a "Golden Bylaw". This has strong relationship with our
WS1 requirement (WP1) regarding oversight of the community
in case of change of the Bylaws (or certain sections of the
Bylaws). </font></div>
<div><font color="#010101" face="Calibri" size="4">This model
would also include the MRT within the Icann Bylaws. Same for
the IAP. </font></div>
</div>
<div align="left" style=""><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt"><br>
</span></font></div>
<div align="left" style=""><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt">The
Internal Trust option creates a Guardian of the Trust, which
could be a cross community WG. There might be a connection
with the community empowerment mechanisms the CCWG is
setting up to explore. </span></font></div>
<div align="left" style=""><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt"><br>
</span></font></div>
<div align="left" style=""><font color="#010101" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:12pt">"External
options" are less connected to the CCWG since accountability
issues are transferred outside Icann, but the issues may
remain similar. One might suggest that the work on
definitions & scoping, as well as some of the
requirements discussed in Frankfurt, could be helpful to
further work on these options. </span></font></div>
</div>
<br>
<br>
Le 08/02/2015 18:59, Alice Jansen a écrit :<br>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px"><font face="Avenir">Hi everyone,</font></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px"><font face="Avenir">In preparation for your meeting # 11 (ICANN
52) – Mon, 9 Feb - 16:45 to 19:45 SGT/08:45-11:45 UTC –
please find below a proposed agenda. Documents/links are
included (note: the attached engagement slide-deck is a
revised version).</font></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px"><font face="Avenir">Thanks</font></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px"><font face="Avenir">Best regards</font></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px"><font face="Avenir">Alice </font></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px"><font face="Avenir">---</font></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px"><font face="Avenir"><b>AGENDA</b></font></div>
<blockquote style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:medium" type="cite">
<div><font face="Avenir">1. Welcome & roll call & SOI </font></div>
<div><font face="Avenir">2. Interactions with CWG </font></div>
<div><font face="Avenir"> - update by Lise & Jonathan</font></div>
<div><font face="Avenir"> - analysis of <a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/49351404/CWG-SingaporeDiscussionDocument-Final.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1422998880000&api=v2" target="_blank">discussion
document</a> & further cooperation</font></div>
<div><font face="Avenir">3. Legal advice update</font></div>
<div><font face="Avenir"> - <a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/52233300/Accountability%20Questions%20for%20CCWG%20-%20from%20Jones%20Day.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1423388995290&api=v2" target="_blank">input
from Jones Day</a> (Kevin Espinola)</font></div>
<div><font face="Avenir">4. Update <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/WP1+Draft+Documents" target="_blank">
WP1</a> - Jordan </font></div>
<div><font face="Avenir">5. Update WP2 - Becky</font></div>
<div><font face="Avenir">6. Update <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/ST-WP+Draft+Documents" target="_blank">
WP Stress tests</a></font></div>
<div><font face="Avenir"> - presentation of 2-3 stress
tests for illustration</font></div>
<div><font face="Avenir">7. Community engagement</font></div>
<div><font face="Avenir"> - engagement session logistics</font></div>
<div><font face="Avenir"> - other engagement ongoing
during ICANN52</font></div>
<div><font face="Avenir">8. AOB => Support staffing update
by Theresa</font></div>
<div><font face="Avenir">9. Closing remarks </font></div>
</blockquote>
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