<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Thank you Suzanne</div><div><br></div><div>In one of the (many) Tuesday meetings with the Board, the NCSG I think, some of the Board Members were very positive about a clearly delimited inclusion of Human Rigths.<br>Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez</div><div>GNSO Council<br><div>+506 8837 7176 (New Number)</div><div>Enviado desde mi iPhone</div></div><div><br>El feb 18, 2015, a las 12:13, Suzanne Radell <<a href="mailto:SRadell@ntia.doc.gov">SRadell@ntia.doc.gov</a>> escribió:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div>Thanks all for this exchange, and to Olivier in particular for noting what seems to be a nascent community-wide initiative. The GAC reached agreement in Singapore to establish a GAC working group on the subject, and has not yet arrived at a shared vision. In
the absence of broad, community-wide agreement as to the applicability of human rights obligations or the scope of ICANN's actual or potential responsibilities in this area, should the CCWG text contain specific references to human rights? Cheers, Suz</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Avri Doria; <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
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<div>Dear Avri,<br>
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I note that there is currently an initiative regarding human rights and/at ICANN and a session took place in Singapore, to discuss its next steps.<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://singapore52.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-human-rights" target="_blank">http://singapore52.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-human-rights</a><br>
Kindest regards,<br>
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Olivier<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18/02/2015 20:20, Avri Doria wrote:<br>
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Many of us argue that Human Rights is an essential component of any definition of Public Interest. How can something be in the Public Interest if it contravenes human rights, especially those that are binding upon nations and obligatory for businesses, especially
those which are defined as adhering to all applicable international law.<br>
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However, we have seen that in arriving at expression of public interest, it is often necessary to balance those human rights, all of which stand equal as human rights, but that have different emphasis in different national regimes, even among those who justifiably
can claim an adherence to human rights.<br>
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As a organization, ICANN needs to adhere to human rights mandates and needs to do so in the public interest. It is my understanding that our bottom-up processes are the means by which we determine our understanding of the public interest. But in doing so,
we must always be sure we do not infringe upon human rights.<br>
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Just as there are many ways to achieve stability, security and resilience, and we determine that through our bottom-up processes, as modulated through the advice of our experts on security and stability in the SSAC and RSSAC, there are many ways to serve the
public interest that need to be determined through adherence to bylaws manadated bottom-up processes and modulated through expert advice on human rights.<br>
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So perhaps we should be considering "public interest consistent with human rights."<br>
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avri<br>
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<div>Dear All,</div>
<div>We should avoid to be engaged doing</div>
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<div>I do not be infavour of replacing public interest </div>
<div>With anything such as human rights and </div>
<div>freedom Of expression, acknowledging </div>
<div>That the latter two issues are very important </div>
<div>But are quite difficult to limit public interests to </div>
<div>These two issues</div>
<div>Pls be prudent</div>
<div>Kavouss</div>
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On 17 Feb 2015, at 22:43, Edward Morris <<a href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net">egmorris1@toast.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>I'm a bit confused Tijani.</div>
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<div>First, you said you didn't remember the suggestion and now you state the suggestion had no support. As I wasn't able to be in Frankfurt I would appreciate clarification of the status of this worthy idea. I'm personally not a big fan of the generic term
"public interest", finding that in practice "public interest" usually morphs into "personal interest": that is, "the public it is I". I realise that creation of a consensus definition of the public interest is called for in the draft 5 year OP but I do find
Robin's idea to be worthy of discussion by the wider WG and thank staff for including it in the summary document.</div>
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On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:09 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA <<a href="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@fmai.org.tn">tijani.benjemaa@fmai.org.tn</a>> wrote:<br>
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