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Hi,<br>
<br>
Thanks for reminding me of that.<br>
<br>
But that idea only goes so far as to allow us to talk about our
human rights related concerns within ICANN's scope issues. It is
not quite the same as having expert human rights advice on those
relevant issues.<br>
<br>
But it is a start for which I am grateful.<br>
<br>
avri<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18-Feb-15 11:59, Olivier MJ
Crepin-Leblond wrote:<br>
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Dear Avri,<br>
<br>
I note that there is currently an initiative regarding human
rights and/at ICANN and a session took place in Singapore, to
discuss its next steps.<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://singapore52.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-human-rights">http://singapore52.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-human-rights</a><br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18/02/2015 20:20, Avri Doria
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:54E4BBE2.9020206@acm.org" type="cite"> Hi,<br>
<br>
Many of us argue that Human Rights is an essential component of
any definition of Public Interest. How can something be in the
Public Interest if it contravenes human rights, especially those
that are binding upon nations and obligatory for businesses,
especially those which are defined as adhering to all applicable
international law.<br>
<br>
However, we have seen that in arriving at expression of public
interest, it is often necessary to balance those human rights,
all of which stand equal as human rights, but that have
different emphasis in different national regimes, even among
those who justifiably can claim an adherence to human rights.<br>
<br>
As a organization, ICANN needs to adhere to human rights
mandates and needs to do so in the public interest. It is my
understanding that our bottom-up processes are the means by
which we determine our understanding of the public interest.
But in doing so, we must always be sure we do not infringe upon
human rights.<br>
<br>
Just as there are many ways to achieve stability, security and
resilience, and we determine that through our bottom-up
processes, as modulated through the advice of our experts on
security and stability in the SSAC and RSSAC, there are many
ways to serve the public interest that need to be determined
through adherence to bylaws manadated bottom-up processes and
modulated through expert advice on human rights.<br>
<br>
So perhaps we should be considering "public interest consistent
with human rights."<br>
<br>
avri<br>
<br>
I<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18-Feb-15 05:15, Kavouss Arasteh
wrote:<br>
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<div>Dear All,</div>
<div>We should avoid to be engaged doing</div>
<div> something that we know would no tangible</div>
<div> results.</div>
<div>I do not be infavour of replacing public interest </div>
<div>With anything such as human rights and </div>
<div>freedom Of expression, acknowledging </div>
<div>That the latter two issues are very important </div>
<div>But are quite difficult to limit public interests to </div>
<div>These two issues</div>
<div>Pls be prudent</div>
<div>Kavouss</div>
<div> </div>
<div> <br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone</div>
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On 17 Feb 2015, at 22:43, Edward Morris <<a
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wrote:<br>
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<div>I'm a bit confused Tijani.</div>
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<div>First, you said you didn't remember the suggestion
and now you state the suggestion had no support. As I
wasn't able to be in Frankfurt I would appreciate
clarification of the status of this worthy idea. I'm
personally not a big fan of the generic term "public
interest", finding that in practice "public interest"
usually morphs into "personal interest": that is, "the
public it is I". I realise that creation of a consensus
definition of the public interest is called for in the
draft 5 year OP but I do find Robin's idea to be worthy
of discussion by the wider WG and thank staff for
including it in the summary document.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Best,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ed<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad</div>
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On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:09 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA <<a
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<b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 17 février 2015 18:40<br>
<b>À :</b> Tijani BEN JEMAA<br>
<b>Cc :</b> 'Adam Peake'; 'Accountability
Cross Community'<br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG list
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, I made this suggestion.</p>
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Adam,</span><span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I
may have missed some of the mails
exchanged but I don’t remember that it
was suggested that the public interest
be replaced by human rights and internet
freedom.</span><span></span></p>
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Envoyé : lundi 16 février 2015 18:45<br>
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Objet : [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG list summary,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Apologies for the
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