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    Hi,<br>
    <br>
    Thanks for reminding me of that.<br>
    <br>
    But that idea only goes so far as to allow us to talk about our
    human rights related concerns within ICANN's scope issues.  It is
    not quite the same as having expert human rights advice on those
    relevant issues.<br>
    <br>
    But it is a start for which I am grateful.<br>
    <br>
    avri<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18-Feb-15 11:59, Olivier MJ
      Crepin-Leblond wrote:<br>
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      Dear Avri,<br>
      <br>
      I note that there is currently an initiative regarding human
      rights and/at ICANN and a session took place in Singapore, to
      discuss its next steps.<br>
      <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
        href="http://singapore52.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-human-rights">http://singapore52.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-human-rights</a><br>
      Kindest regards,<br>
      <br>
      Olivier<br>
      <br>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18/02/2015 20:20, Avri Doria
        wrote:<br>
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      <blockquote cite="mid:54E4BBE2.9020206@acm.org" type="cite"> Hi,<br>
        <br>
        Many of us argue that Human Rights is an essential component of
        any definition of Public Interest.  How can something be in the
        Public Interest if it contravenes human rights, especially those
        that are binding upon nations and obligatory for businesses,
        especially those which are defined as adhering to all applicable
        international law.<br>
        <br>
        However, we have seen that in arriving at expression of public
        interest, it is often necessary to balance those human rights,
        all of which stand equal as human rights, but that have
        different emphasis in different national regimes, even among
        those who justifiably can claim an adherence to human rights.<br>
        <br>
        As a organization, ICANN needs to adhere to human rights
        mandates and needs to do so in the public interest.  It is my
        understanding that our bottom-up processes are the means by
        which we determine our understanding of the public interest. 
        But in doing so, we must always be sure we do not infringe upon
        human rights.<br>
        <br>
        Just as there are many ways to achieve stability, security and
        resilience, and we determine that through our bottom-up
        processes, as modulated through the advice of our experts on
        security and stability in the SSAC and RSSAC, there are many
        ways to serve the public interest that need to be determined
        through adherence to bylaws manadated bottom-up processes and
        modulated through expert advice on human rights.<br>
        <br>
        So perhaps we should be considering "public interest consistent
        with human rights."<br>
        <br>
        avri<br>
        <br>
        I<br>
        <br>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18-Feb-15 05:15, Kavouss Arasteh
          wrote:<br>
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          cite="mid:CD74D44E-D9ED-4983-BEAB-4DD03F98BD7D@gmail.com"
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          <div>Dear All,</div>
          <div>We should avoid to be engaged doing</div>
          <div> something that we know would no tangible</div>
          <div> results.</div>
          <div>I do not be infavour of replacing public interest </div>
          <div>With anything such as human rights and </div>
          <div>freedom Of expression, acknowledging </div>
          <div>That the latter two issues are very important </div>
          <div>But are quite difficult to limit public interests to </div>
          <div>These two issues</div>
          <div>Pls be prudent</div>
          <div>Kavouss</div>
          <div>    </div>
          <div>  <br>
            <br>
            Sent from my iPhone</div>
          <div><br>
            On 17 Feb 2015, at 22:43, Edward Morris &lt;<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net">egmorris1@toast.net</a>&gt;


            wrote:<br>
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            <div>
              <div>I'm a bit confused Tijani.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>First, you said you didn't remember the suggestion
                and now you state the suggestion had no support. As I
                wasn't able to be in Frankfurt I would appreciate
                clarification of the status of this worthy idea. I'm
                personally not a big fan of the generic  term "public
                interest", finding that in practice "public interest"
                usually morphs into "personal interest": that is, "the
                public it is I". I realise that creation of a consensus
                definition of the public interest is called for in the
                draft 5 year OP but I do find Robin's idea to be worthy
                of discussion by the wider WG and thank staff for
                including it in the summary document.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Best,</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Ed<br>
                <br>
                Sent from my iPad</div>
              <div><br>
                On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:09 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA &lt;<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@fmai.org.tn">tijani.benjemaa@fmai.org.tn</a>&gt;


                wrote:<br>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Yes you did
                        in Frankfurt, and there was no support to your
                        suggestion.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The “public
                        interest” or the “benefit of the public, not
                        just in the interests of a particular set of
                        stakeholders” had a large support as part of the
                        “<a moz-do-not-send="true" name="_GoBack"></a>CCWG

                        Accountability – Problem definition” document
                        (purposes of ICANN’s accountability, d.)</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">Tijani
                          BEN JEMAA</span></b></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Executive
                        Director</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Mediterranean

                        Federation of Internet Associations </span><span
                        lang="EN-US">(<b>FMAI</b>)</span><span
                        lang="EN-US"></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Phone:  +
                        216 41 649 605</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Mobile: +
                        216 98 330 114</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Fax:       +
                        216 70 853 376</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">De :</span></b><span
                            lang="EN-US"> Robin Gross [<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">mailto:robin@ipjustice.org</a>]
                            <br>
                            <b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 17 février 2015 18:40<br>
                            <b>À :</b> Tijani BEN JEMAA<br>
                            <b>Cc :</b> 'Adam Peake'; 'Accountability
                            Cross Community'<br>
                            <b>Objet :</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG list
                            summary, Jan 30 to Feb 5</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Yes, I made this suggestion.</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Robin</p>
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                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">On Feb 16, 2015, at 3:54
                            PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote:</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear
                                Adam,</span><span></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I
                                may have missed some of the mails
                                exchanged but I don’t remember that it
                                was suggested that the public interest
                                be replaced by human rights and internet
                                freedom.</span><span></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Tijani</span><span></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span></span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span></span></p>
                          </div>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span>-----Message
                                d'origine-----<br>
                                De :<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                                De la part de Adam Peake<br>
                                Envoyé : lundi 16 février 2015 18:45<br>
                                À : Accountability Cross Community<br>
                                Objet : [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG list summary,
                                Jan 30 to Feb 5</span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Apologies for the
                                delay sending this summary.  It was sent
                                to the advisors last week.</span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Best,</span></p>
                          </div>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Adam</span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                                  <p><span>Ce courrier électronique ne
                                      contient aucun virus ou logiciel
                                      malveillant parce que la
                                      protection<span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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                              list<br>
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                          <p> Ce courrier électronique ne contient aucun
                            virus ou logiciel malveillant parce que la
                            protection <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://www.avast.com/">Antivirus
                              avast!</a> est active. </p>
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