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Dear Avri,<br>
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I note that there is currently an initiative regarding human rights
and/at ICANN and a session took place in Singapore, to discuss its
next steps.<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://singapore52.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-human-rights">http://singapore52.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-human-rights</a><br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18/02/2015 20:20, Avri Doria wrote:<br>
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Hi,<br>
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Many of us argue that Human Rights is an essential component of
any definition of Public Interest. How can something be in the
Public Interest if it contravenes human rights, especially those
that are binding upon nations and obligatory for businesses,
especially those which are defined as adhering to all applicable
international law.<br>
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However, we have seen that in arriving at expression of public
interest, it is often necessary to balance those human rights, all
of which stand equal as human rights, but that have different
emphasis in different national regimes, even among those who
justifiably can claim an adherence to human rights.<br>
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As a organization, ICANN needs to adhere to human rights mandates
and needs to do so in the public interest. It is my understanding
that our bottom-up processes are the means by which we determine
our understanding of the public interest. But in doing so, we
must always be sure we do not infringe upon human rights.<br>
<br>
Just as there are many ways to achieve stability, security and
resilience, and we determine that through our bottom-up processes,
as modulated through the advice of our experts on security and
stability in the SSAC and RSSAC, there are many ways to serve the
public interest that need to be determined through adherence to
bylaws manadated bottom-up processes and modulated through expert
advice on human rights.<br>
<br>
So perhaps we should be considering "public interest consistent
with human rights."<br>
<br>
avri<br>
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I<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18-Feb-15 05:15, Kavouss Arasteh
wrote:<br>
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<div>Dear All,</div>
<div>We should avoid to be engaged doing</div>
<div> something that we know would no tangible</div>
<div> results.</div>
<div>I do not be infavour of replacing public interest </div>
<div>With anything such as human rights and </div>
<div>freedom Of expression, acknowledging </div>
<div>That the latter two issues are very important </div>
<div>But are quite difficult to limit public interests to </div>
<div>These two issues</div>
<div>Pls be prudent</div>
<div>Kavouss</div>
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Sent from my iPhone</div>
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On 17 Feb 2015, at 22:43, Edward Morris <<a
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<div>I'm a bit confused Tijani.</div>
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<div>First, you said you didn't remember the suggestion and
now you state the suggestion had no support. As I wasn't
able to be in Frankfurt I would appreciate clarification
of the status of this worthy idea. I'm personally not a
big fan of the generic term "public interest", finding
that in practice "public interest" usually morphs into
"personal interest": that is, "the public it is I". I
realise that creation of a consensus definition of the
public interest is called for in the draft 5 year OP but I
do find Robin's idea to be worthy of discussion by the
wider WG and thank staff for including it in the summary
document.</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Ed<br>
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On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:09 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA <<a
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interest” or the “benefit of the public, not just
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stakeholders” had a large support as part of the “<a
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<b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 17 février 2015 18:40<br>
<b>À :</b> Tijani BEN JEMAA<br>
<b>Cc :</b> 'Adam Peake'; 'Accountability
Cross Community'<br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG list
summary, Jan 30 to Feb 5</span></p>
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Adam,</span><span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I may
have missed some of the mails exchanged
but I don’t remember that it was suggested
that the public interest be replaced by
human rights and internet freedom.</span><span></span></p>
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De la part de Adam Peake<br>
Envoyé : lundi 16 février 2015 18:45<br>
À : Accountability Cross Community<br>
Objet : [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG list summary, Jan
30 to Feb 5</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Apologies for the
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