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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>woensdag 18 februari 2015 20:05<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Suzanne Radell <<a href="mailto:SRadell@ntia.doc.gov">SRadell@ntia.doc.gov</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG list summary, Jan 30 to Feb 5<br>
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<div><font color="#000000">I am loathe to build a hard linkage between "public interest" and "human rights." I don't think it will benefit consideration of either one. Each of these issues raise complexities in the ICANN context. There is no clear definition
of "public interest" in the ICANN context. There is also no clear definition of "human rights" in the ICANN context. While human rights are critically important and no one (well, hardly anyone) is against human rights, ICANN is not a human rights organization
per se. Many of the things that ICANN does in the "public interest" have nothing to do with human rights (positively or negatively). There may also be human rights issues that are not directly related to whether ICANN is acting in the "public interest."</font></div>
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<div><font color="#000000">I would instead suggest that work related to ICANN and the "global public interest" and ICANN and its relationship to human rights should proceed separately. There is room for significant debate on each of these topics, and tying
them together will delay or sink both. That does not mean bringing up "human rights" in the discussion of "global public interest" is taboo -- far from it.</font></div>
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<div><font color="#000000">This group may find interesting the following excerpts from the Report of Public Comments on the ICANN Draft 5-Year Plan (available at <a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/report-comments-draft-five-year-ops-06feb15-en.pdf">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/report-comments-draft-five-year-ops-06feb15-en.pdf</a></font><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">)</span></div>
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<div><font color="#0000ff">COMMENT: The entire objective is based on the concept of “public interest” which has a different meaning in different places (countries and contexts). Therefore, agreeing on a definition – that should include clear boundaries – of
“public interest” should be at the core of the entire objective<br>
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<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">ANSWER: Work was carried out by the Strategy Panel on the Public Responsibility Framework in consultation with the community through webinars and open sessions at ICANN meetings. We will build on this work moving forward
and will work on agreeing on definition of “public interest” within the ICANN context with the community.</span><br>
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<div><font color="#0000ff">COMMENT: S.G. 5.1 commits ICANN to act as a “steward of the public interest” as part of Strategic Objective 5: “Develop and Implement a Global Public Interest Framework Bounded By ICANN’s Mission”. The sole metric of S.G. 5.1 refers
to a “common consensus based definition of public interest”. Does such a definition currently exist? If so, what is it? If not, how does ICANN propose to develop one? </font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff">ANSWER: The definition was developed and proposed by the Strategy Panel on Public Responsibility framework. The Panel defined the global public interest of the Internet as ensuring that the Internet “becomes, and continues to be,
healthy, open, and accessible across the globe”. Recognizing that this is a broad concept that permeates all of ICANN’s work, the Panel determined that for practical and operational reasons “public responsibility” work should be streamlined through one department
tasked with serving the community, broadening it, and facilitating participation through specific and measurable tracks. Building on the work of the Panel and community requests, the DPRD [Development and Public Responsibility Department] is an operational
department focused on public responsibility work centered on the priorities and focus areas identified through the regional engagement strategies and through community engagement with the Panel. The DPRD functions in collaboration with regional VPs, other
ICANN departments, external organizations, and through engagement with Governments, ccTLD admins, and GAC members in developing and underdeveloped countries who serve as key entry points to these regions so that we can assist in strengthening IG structures
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<div><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:14.6666669845581px">In other words, it appears that ICANN will be using as a definition of “global public interest” a standard developed by the Strategy Panel on Public Responsibility Framework, one of several
panels appointed in 2013 by ICANN's leadership without community input and whose final report, issued about a year ago, seemingly sank without a trace (see </span><a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/public-responsibility-2013-10-11-en" style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:14.6666669845581px" target="_blank"><font color="blue"><u>https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/public-responsibility-2013-10-11-en</u></font></a><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:14.6666669845581px"> ). </span><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Suzanne Radell <span dir="ltr">
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<div>Thanks all for this exchange, and to Olivier in particular for noting what seems to be a nascent community-wide initiative. The GAC reached agreement in Singapore to establish a GAC working group on the subject, and has not yet arrived at a shared vision. In
the absence of broad, community-wide agreement as to the applicability of human rights obligations or the scope of ICANN's actual or potential responsibilities in this area, should the CCWG text contain specific references to human rights? Cheers, Suz</div>
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<font color="#000000" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">
accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond [<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Avri Doria; <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">
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<div class="h5">Dear Avri,<br>
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I note that there is currently an initiative regarding human rights and/at ICANN and a session took place in Singapore, to discuss its next steps.<br>
<a href="http://singapore52.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-human-rights" target="_blank">http://singapore52.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-human-rights</a><br>
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Many of us argue that Human Rights is an essential component of any definition of Public Interest. How can something be in the Public Interest if it contravenes human rights, especially those that are binding upon nations and obligatory for businesses, especially
those which are defined as adhering to all applicable international law.<br>
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However, we have seen that in arriving at expression of public interest, it is often necessary to balance those human rights, all of which stand equal as human rights, but that have different emphasis in different national regimes, even among those who justifiably
can claim an adherence to human rights.<br>
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As a organization, ICANN needs to adhere to human rights mandates and needs to do so in the public interest. It is my understanding that our bottom-up processes are the means by which we determine our understanding of the public interest. But in doing so,
we must always be sure we do not infringe upon human rights.<br>
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Just as there are many ways to achieve stability, security and resilience, and we determine that through our bottom-up processes, as modulated through the advice of our experts on security and stability in the SSAC and RSSAC, there are many ways to serve the
public interest that need to be determined through adherence to bylaws manadated bottom-up processes and modulated through expert advice on human rights.<br>
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So perhaps we should be considering "public interest consistent with human rights."<br>
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<div>On 18-Feb-15 05:15, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:<br>
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<div>I do not be infavour of replacing public interest </div>
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<div>freedom Of expression, acknowledging </div>
<div>That the latter two issues are very important </div>
<div>But are quite difficult to limit public interests to </div>
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<div>Pls be prudent</div>
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On 17 Feb 2015, at 22:43, Edward Morris <<a href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net" target="_blank">egmorris1@toast.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>First, you said you didn't remember the suggestion and now you state the suggestion had no support. As I wasn't able to be in Frankfurt I would appreciate clarification of the status of this worthy idea. I'm personally not a big fan of the generic term
"public interest", finding that in practice "public interest" usually morphs into "personal interest": that is, "the public it is I". I realise that creation of a consensus definition of the public interest is called for in the draft 5 year OP but I do find
Robin's idea to be worthy of discussion by the wider WG and thank staff for including it in the summary document.</div>
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On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:09 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA <<a href="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@fmai.org.tn" target="_blank">tijani.benjemaa@fmai.org.tn</a>> wrote:<br>
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<b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 17 février 2015 18:40<br>
<b>À :</b> Tijani BEN JEMAA<br>
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