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Apologies for the late response, Greg, and it sure helps. I indeed thought we were considering consensus here to be the common understanding of consensus („full” as you call it) and not the ICANN bylaws version („rough”).</div>
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<div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">That clarified, I wonder what we should do in general. The mechanisms template that we are working with, has a field under „Decision making” to be completed that states: "</font><font size="3"><span style="line-height: 115%;">Decision
made by consensus or vote ?</span></font><span style="font-size: 15px; line-height: 17px;">”</span><font size="3"><span style="line-height: 115%;">. When doing my WP1 </span></font><span style="line-height: 16px;">homework, I considered consensus there to
mean „full consensus”, the general definition so to speak.</span></div>
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<div><span style="line-height: 16px;">So, in our work, in general if we talk about consensus, do we use the general definition, or the ICANN bylaws one?</span></div>
<div><span style="line-height: 16px;">I suggest we use the general one as starting point and clearly indicate if for some reason we use the ICANN bylaws one</span></div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>maandag 16 februari 2015 19:51<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Roelof Meijer <<a href="mailto:roelof.meijer@sidn.nl">roelof.meijer@sidn.nl</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>Becky Burr <<a href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>>, Alice Jansen <<a href="mailto:alice.jansen@icann.org">alice.jansen@icann.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>"
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Additional Document for discussion<br>
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<div>It occurs to me that you might not be clear on what "Consensus Policy" means in this context.<br>
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<div>"Consensus Policy" is a specifically defined term used in the ICANN Bylaws and defined in the gTLD Registry Agreement and Registrar Accreditation Agreement. (To the best of my knowledge, it is not used in the ccTLD context.) It refers to policy developed
through the GNSO Policy Development Process, and specifically to policy which is meant to create binding obligations on gTLD registries and registrars. Consensus policy is developed by a Working Group, which must approve its recommendations by consensus of
the Working Group (such consensus is "rough" consensus rather than "full" consensus). The potential Consensus Policy must then be approved by a GNSO Council Supermajority vote. If approved, it is a "PDP Recommendation. The PDP Recommendation then goes to
the ICANN Board. The Board must then adopt the PDP Recommendation unless it is rejected by a 2/3 vote. The vote is supposed to take place "<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:22.3999996185303px"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">as soon as
feasible, but preferably not later than the second meeting after receipt of a Board Report on the PDP Recommendation, prepared by an ICANN Staff Manager.</font></span></div>
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<div>I hope this helps you understand what is being discussed. Becky or others, please feel free to correct or clarify.</div>
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<div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 22.3999996185303px;">In terms of measuring consensus, the Final Report of a PDP Working Group contains a record of the position of each participant with regard
to consensus. I don't think there is any particular need for this Working Group to delve into GNSO PDP Working Group Procedures, at least not as a Work Stream 1 issue. I assume this was not what you were suggesting, in any event.</span><br>
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<div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 22.3999996185303px;">There may be accountability issues relating to the Board's actions in approving consensus policy. For instance, I'm not sure if the Board
ever approved or rejected certain PDP Recommendations relating to IGO/INGO identifiers that differed from GAC Policy Advice. These were before the Board for a vote on 30 April 2014, and the Board tried to broker a compromise, rather than directly face the
issue of a "policy collision" between the GNSO and the GAC. In the interim, the GAC's "Advice" is in effect, not the GNSO's PDP Recommendation (in spite of the of the fact that the GNSO is supposed to be the source for GNSO policy).</span></div>
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<div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 22.3999996185303px;">Hope this helps.</span></div>
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<div>Best regards,</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 5:00 AM, Roelof Meijer <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl" target="_blank">Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">In your second slide, it says: „..</font><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri">Implementing
<i>Consensus</i> </span>Policies..”. Although I am not sure if this is supposed to mean that ICANN
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><Burr>, Becky Burr <<a href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>maandag 9 februari 2015 17:03<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Alice Jansen <<a href="mailto:alice.jansen@icann.org" target="_blank">alice.jansen@icann.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>"
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Additional Document for discussion<br>
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<div>I have made a quick attempt to articulate the standard of behavior against which ICANN might be measured for accountability purposes. It roughly corresponds to the Mission Statement and Core Values in the ICANN bylaws today, but has some additions that
and modifications consistent with various suggestions that I’ve heard from the group. If I missed your suggestion, please accept my apologies. This is just to start the discussion. </div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Alice Jansen <<a href="mailto:alice.jansen@icann.org" target="_blank">alice.jansen@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, February 9, 2015 at 4:38 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Accountability Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>[CCWG-ACCT] Revised agenda - Meeting #11<br>
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<div>Dear all,</div>
<div>In anticipation of your meeting #11, please find attached a revised agenda.</div>
<div>Thanks</div>
<div>Best regards</div>
<div>Alice </div>
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