<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">An FYI to all.... LEXIS NEXIS indicates the hearing transcript is copyrighted. For whatever it is worth, Lexis Nexis has a challenge representing that the words of that Senate Public hearing are copyrighted to LN.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Sincerely<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Carrie Devorah<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Greg Shatan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>All:<br><br></div>Here's an email that I recently sent to the CWG. In response, Seun Ojedeji noted the Senator's concern with the possible capture of ICANN by foreign governments in the long term, and that a key goal of the transition must be protecting ICANN from any possible capture as it continue to operate IANA.I believe this issue falls into the remit of CCWG, and needs to be in Work Stream 1 so that it is part of the package ultimately considered by the NTIA.<br><br></div>Greg<br><div><div><div><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Greg Shatan</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>></span><br>Date: Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:23 PM<br>Subject: US Senate Committee Hearing on 2016 Budget for Dept of Commerce: Testimony on IANA Transition<br>To: "<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>><br><br><br><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><br clear="all"></div>All:<br><br></div>The US Senate held a hearing on the Department of Commerce's 2016 Budget (2016 commences October 1, 2015). A transcription was just published, and I've excerpted (as is) the Senators' questions and Secy. Pritzker's answers relevant to the IANA Transition -- see below. The full transcript may be found at: <br><a href="http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=102898&topicId=235950016&docId=l:2311907759&isRss=true&Em=4&md5=&sendDate=20150228" target="_blank">http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=102898&topicId=235950016&docId=l:2311907759&isRss=true&Em=4&md5=&sendDate=20150228</a><br><br></div><div>(FYI, much more time was spent on fishing, the paper industry and weather forecasting than on IANA)<br></div><div><br></div>Greg<br><br>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">SEN. RICHARD
C. SHELBY HOLDS A HEARING ON THE FY2016 FUNDING REQUEST AND BUDGET
JUSTIFICATION FOR THE COMMERCE DEPARTMENT</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span> </span>February 26, 2015 Thursday</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span> </span>EVENT DATE: February 26, 2015</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span> </span>TYPE: COMMITTEE HEARING</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span> </span>LOCATION: WASHINGTON, D.C.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span> </span>COMMITTEE: SENATE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS,
SUBCOMMITTEE ON COMMERCE, JUSTICE, SCIENCE, AND RELATED AGENCIES</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span> </span>SPEAKER: SEN. RICHARD C. SHELBY, CHAIRMAN</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span> </span>WITNESSES:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">SEN. RICHARD
C. SHELBY, R-ALA. CHAIRMAN</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">WITNESSES:
PENNY PRITZKER, SECRETARY, THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">…</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">SHELBY:
Senator Langford.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">LANGFORD:
Thank you. Thanks for being here as well.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">PRITZKER:
Thank you.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">LANGFORD:
I'm grateful to be able to have the conversation. I want to talk a little bit
about where we stand with ICAN (inaudible) conversation and DNA. So my
questions--I'm sorry, DNS, not DNA. DNA would be fun to talk about as well, by
the way, if you want to talk about that.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">The budget
request has a note in it that I thought was interesting. It says FY 2016 NTIA
will continue to develop, implement and advocate policies positioned in the
U.S. to meet growing complexities and political challenges related to internet
governance and the domain-named system. Tell me the status of where you are
headed on this. And obviously Congress has spoken back on it and is a little
hesitant. So specifically, while you're talking about the status on it, how are
you balancing the foreign policy objectives with United States commerce? And I
mean commerce as a whole of our business world and how dependent we really are
on this internet.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">PRITZKER:
Well, let me start by saying our NTIA role is stewardship of the internet. And
so moving--our goal has been to continue to move ICAN to a multi-stakeholder
model. And, in fact, we deal directly with ICAN and the leadership of ICAN and
their CEO is coming in tomorrow.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">LANGFORD:
Can I interrupt for just a second? The question there is the why? And I think
it's the foreign policy question.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">PRITZKER:
Why?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">LANGFORD:
Why try to move that outside of our stewardship? Has it been a problem that
we've been the steward with it? Why remove American stewardship from the
internet?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">PRITZKER:
Well, the challenge and we--we're not giving up our stewardship of the
internet. But the challenge that we face with the ICAN-IANA transition is this
is--and, first of all, we're not going to give up our position of overseeing
the IANA domain name situation unless we can ourselves there's a
multi-stakeholder process and it's not going to be jeopardized, that there's
going to stability and resiliency and security in the domain name system and
that it meets the needs of global customers, and it remains that the internet
will remain free and open.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">The
challenge we face in our role is the perception of our goal in the global
environment. There is a lot of pressure, as you said, from foreign governments
to, in essence, take over control of the internet and try and create places
where governments are in control of what's happening with the internet. We
think that is the wrong direction to go, and therefore we feel we're really an
oversight. ICAN is actually performing the IANA functions. And so our goal is
that ICAN continue to perform those functions, but the appearance of our
engagement creates this notion that the U.S. is a government in control and
that's against where we ultimately--we want to be able to argue with the rest
of the world. That's not what we want to see for the internet.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">LANGFORD:
Right. I understand. And the skepticism is when we release the first
generation, there may be some good oversight of that. And then what happens
five years from now, etc.? So what happens with China and Russia? I just want
to be able to express some continuing skepticism.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">PRITZKER:
Senator, I share your concern about that. And one of the criteria that I've
said is we've asked for ICAN to explain to us how they're going to be
accountable to a multi-stakeholder process and there cannot be what I call a
hostile takeover of ICAN.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">LANGFORD:
Correct, and I would affirm that. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">…</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">KUNTZ: Let
me ask about a very different field for a moment, if I might, which is ICAN.
When I was in the private sector, I did some work around web domains and
website acquisition and control. We had a trademark, the company I was in, that
had been inappropriately taken over as a web domain by a company with no
relationship to it, and I got involved in this.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">This was a
long time ago and I was struck at how at that point NTIA was playing a critical
role in oversight of ICAN, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and
Numbers, which I think is widely known to the small community of people who pay
a lot of attention to this. And I'm frankly very concerned that there is a
proposal to transition ICAN completely away from the Commerce Department
oversight and management, and I just want to make sure that ICAN is really
prepared to make that transition and will have adopted some core key principles
about protection from government capture, budgetary restraint and a separation
of functions, and this is something I wrote to you about back in December and
co-sponsored a resolution that passed in the Senate calling for these reforms
before there is any transition. I just wanted to make sure that I had your
sense of whether you thought these reforms were important to complete before
there was any movement towards it.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">PRITZKER:
Well, Senator, I share your concern. I think the transition at the IANA
transition is one that's important because there are down sides for our
engagement there. Having said that, making sure that we don't--that ICAN can
responsibly continue to carry out that function, making sure that it is
multi-stakeholder managed and driven, making sure it meets the needs of
customers and in a timely and efficient manner, and that we remain a free and
open internet. All of those are priorities.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt">We are
awaiting proposals. We're not in any rush. We're working very carefully with
ICAN, but we're waiting for proposals as to how they can make sure they would
satisfy all those performance requirements and also proposals for how they will
improve the accountability of ICAN so that there cannot be what I call a
hostile takeover of the board of ICAN.</p>
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