<div dir="ltr"><div>Bruce, the IRP PDF is improved. We still have a long way to go. <br></div><div><div><br></div><div>To throw this into stark relief, here's an analogy: </div><div><br></div><div>Imagine you got a mortgage to build a house. Right before you start to build, a third party puts some 'hold' on your land with city council. Your building permit freezes. </div><div><br></div><div>You have literally no way of knowing anything about how long the process will be, if it is even justified or has standing, and all questions you ask to the Council are met with, well check this PDF we update it every so often, there's some cryptic stuff in there but even if you aren't on it you might still be on hold. There's some timelines but no one pays attention to them. Might be six months, might be four years. Might be until the sun expands to fry the earth.</div><div><br></div><div>Now go tell your wife. </div><div><br></div><div>Best. J. </div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On 8 March 2015 at 12:03, Robin Gross <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">We need to add an evaluation of the "Cooperative Engagement Process" or "CEP" - the initial or pre step to trigger an IRP on an ICANN decision. There are timing, transparency, and due process issues to consider in the CEP step an ICANN IRP.<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Robin<br><div><br></div><div><br><div><div><div class="h5"><div>On Mar 6, 2015, at 9:18 AM, Alice Munyua wrote:</div><br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="h5">
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<div>Dear David <br>
<br>
Thank you. <br>
Re-sending and would like to add another issue regarding timely
communication to all affected parties. <br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
Alice<br>
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Alice<br>
Thanks - it doesn't look like your message got distributed to the
group
list which I think would be a good idea - <br>
David<br>
<br>
At 01:48 AM 3/6/2015, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Dear David, <br>
<br>
Thank you for this list of topics.<br>
<br>
11. Should the IRP be provided with clear time lines for each
stage<br>
12 What provisions can be put in place for redress against the
IRP
provider in the event the process goes off track<br>
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<font face="Times New Roman, Times">Best regards<br>
Alice Munyua<br>
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[This is for the <u>Independent Review subgroup</u>: Paul
Rosenzweig, David McAuley, Jonathan Zuck, Robin Gross, Chris
LaHatte,
me]. I don't think a separate mailing list has been set up, so
I
apologize to the rest of you who are working on other issues
here]
<br>
<br>
I'm a little bit late to the WP2 party, but I thought, just
for the
purpose of kicking off our discussion, we might see if there
we can
generate a list of topics that we need to cover for the design
of the IRP
-- <br>
<br>
I'm sure there are others, but here's a starter group, picking
up on some
of the "issues" listed in the latest work item list and adding
a few others:<br>
<br>
1. Will the IRP be a permanent standing panel, or will it
have
rotating membership?<br>
2. What is the scope of the IRB's jurisdiction - what kinds
of
claims can it hear? <br>
3. What standard of review will it use to render its
decisions?<br>
4. Standing - who can bring claims to the IRP?<br>
5. How will IRB members be nominated and appointed?<br>
6. Term - for how long will IRP members serve? Can they be
re-appointed? <br>
7. Will there be a process for removal of IRP members?<br>
8. Costs - who will pay IRP costs? <br>
9. How will IRP decisions be implemented? Are they binding
on
the Board? Can they be overturned by the Board? <br>
10. Should changes to the IRP process be made permanent
(i.e., not
subject to Board modification)? If so, how can we accomplish
that?<br>
<br>
<br>
As I said, I'm sure there are things missing or mis-stated -
but I do
think it would be worth trying to put a list like this
together to
structure our discussion as we plunge forward.<br>
David<br>
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