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The discussions as to what is in WS1 and WS2 has been going for some
time and considerable work has been undertaken on WS1 issues
(further separated into WP1 and 2). <br>
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I don't think there was ever agreement that WS1 (pre-transition)
issues should be minimal. Most of the community has been asking for
some pretty substantial accountbailty issues to be addressed or
committed to prior to the transition.<br>
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Matthew<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/11/2015 9:00 PM, Jordan Carter
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Sivasubramanian,
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<div>This comes as something out of the blue in the sense that
the CCWG has been actively discussing a wide range of Work
Stream 1 proposals that have been clearly signalled in writing
for weeks and weeks now.</div>
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<div>Do you have some concrete proposals about the sorts of
items before this CCWG and its Working Parties that you
believe *should* be part of Work Stream 1 (pre-transition)?</div>
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<div>That would be very helpful input, as soon as possible.</div>
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<div>I think the CCWG at its meeting in Istanbul will need to
resolve its pitch to the community as to what should be in WS1
and WS2....</div>
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<div>thanks,</div>
<div>Jordan</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 12 March 2015 at 13:54,
Sivasubramanian M <span dir="ltr"><<a
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target="_blank">isolatedn@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">I was not present for
the Legal Sub Team call <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=52891852"
target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=52891852</a>
on 10th March and have not listened to the recording
either. This comment is based on the Introductory
section of the Meeting Notes, which might not be
points discussed at length during the Sub Team
meeting, quoted below, and raised here as a point to
consider by the whole group:</font></div>
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sans-serif">Notes: 2. Brief Discussion:<br>
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<li><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">WS2 - no
need to be in place before transition takes place
but needs to take place post transition. </font></li>
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</span>Three items need to be put in place as part of
WS1. </font>
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<li><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Recalling
members of the ICANN board of directors.</font></li>
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<ul style="margin:0px;list-style-type:disc">
<li><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Community
empowerment over ICANN’s management.</font></li>
</ul>
<ul style="margin:0px;list-style-type:disc">
<li><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Limiting the
scope of ICANN’s activity. </font></li>
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<div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">One of the
several proposals for Work Stream 2 was based on the
rationale that pre-transition changes to the
Accountability framework is minimal with major
improvements to discussed and carried out on an
ongoing basis post transition. </font></div>
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<div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">With almost
zero discussion on Work Stream 2, without even the
formation of work stream 2, it is highly undesirable
to think of such changes to the Accountability
framework as the inclusion of provisions to recall
members of the Board, limiting the scope of ICANN's
activity or even Community empowerment over ICANN
management. </font></div>
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<div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Within a
well-considered and larger Accountability
environment such changes could be effected in
phases, in tune with a larger and clearer blue
print, but without even a beginning on such a blue
print, it is unwise to think of the changes as
proposed for WS1. These provisions, if included
pre-transition and in a rush, could prove counter
productive.</font></div>
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<div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">I would
propose the bare minimal improvements to the
Accountability framework, if such improvements are
to be made in a rush. At best, WS 1 could discuss
such changes but leave it for implementation post
transition, after more elaborate thinking.</font></div>
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<div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Sivasubramanian
M</font></div>
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