<div dir="ltr">HI Adam,<div><br></div><div>I'd suggest that staff should not be the ones providing "background" to the experts, assuming "background" includes interpretation of substantive subject matter. </div><div><br></div><div>Ed</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Adam Peake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:adam.peake@icann.org" target="_blank">adam.peake@icann.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:16px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px">Hi everyone,</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px">The advisors asked if they could have their own meeting; to get to know each other, to help them prepare for the sessions on Monday and Tuesday, to consider how they might best support the group while in Istanbul and ongoing. I thought it very reasonable that they should want to do this. I hope it will benefit the CCWG's work in the coming days, and over the next few months.</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px">Some questions asked:</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px">No, ICANN Board members will not join the advisors meeting on Sunday. Staff will be there, but to provide support/background. The purpose of the meeting is to allow the advisors to be able to talk about the proposals before them from the CCWG, and, I think, essentially to get to know each other. </div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px"><br>We hadn't envisioned opening the meeting to observers. As it's their first opportunity for them to talk, to hold informal discussions, I think it perhaps helpful if not open. They are trying to prepare themselves for the meetings ahead. </div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px">Hopefully the Chairs will meet the Advisors later in the day, but this in part depends on travel plans. </div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px">Hope this helps.</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px">Best,</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px">Adam</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px"><br></div></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px"><br></div><div><br></div><span><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;color:black;BORDER-BOTTOM:medium none;BORDER-LEFT:medium none;PADDING-BOTTOM:0in;PADDING-LEFT:0in;PADDING-RIGHT:0in;BORDER-TOP:#b5c4df 1pt solid;BORDER-RIGHT:medium none;PADDING-TOP:3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 4:12 PM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> Accountability Cross Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting<br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="word-wrap:break-word">
I share Keith's concern. Let's remember we are holding ICANN to a high standard of transparency in its accountability processes - so of course that standard of transparency applies to this work as well. I planned to arrive to Istanbul in time to attend any
mtgs on Sunday so would like to attend this one as well at least as an observer.
<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Robin<br><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 18, 2015, at 11:37 AM, Drazek, Keith wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;border-spacing:0px"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi Seun,<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I respectfully disagree.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">If ICANN staff or Board members are participating in or attending a private planning meeting of the Advisors, then community members should also be invited to observe,
at a minimum.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">If you look at their agenda items 2-5 (especially 2-3), their private meeting will contribute to setting expectations and understanding of the issues. Wouldn’t that be
best enabled through participation of CCWG members, or the Co-Chairs at a minimum?<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">In my opinion, it would be inappropriate for ICANN staff and/or Board members to have unique access to the Advisors at this sensitive and formative stage in their engagement
with the CCWG.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks and regards,<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Keith<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span> </span>Seun Ojedeji [<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>]<span> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:19 PM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>Drazek, Keith<br><b>Cc:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>; Adam Peake<br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><u></u> <u></u></div><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
Hi,<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
While it may be fine to have them meet openly, I don't think it's something to worry about. The reason is because of their role being advisory; one would expect that whatever they determine would still be forwarded to ccwg as an advice to consider.<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
Regards<u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
sent from Google nexus 4<br>
kindly excuse brevity and typos.<u></u><u></u></p><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
On 18 Mar 2015 19:09, "Drazek, Keith" <<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
Hi Adam,<br><br>
Will any ICANN staff or Board members participate in or attend the private meeting of the Advisors?<br><br>
Is there a reason their meeting is not open to observers?<br><br>
Thanks,<br>
Keith<br><br>
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Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting<br><br>
Hi everyone,<br><br>
Three of the Advisors will attend the CCWG meeting on Monday and Tuesday next week:<br><br>
Valerie D'Costa, Jan Scholte and Lee Bygrave<br>
(<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Advisors" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Advisors</a>)<br><br>
They arrive on Saturday and will hold their own meeting on Sunday morning and early afternoon. At least one other member, Willie Currie, will join remote.<br><br>
This is the first time any of them will have had chance to meet face to face. Tentative agenda for their meeting:<br><br>
09:00 - 15:00 local Istanbul (07:00 - 13:00 UTC)<br><br>
1. Introduction & Opening Remarks<br>
2. Topics of interest & Concerns<br>
3. Understanding the context and recent developments 4. How can we help the CCWG?<br>
5. Preparing for CCWG session<br>
6. A.O.B<br><br>
They will receive the same documents as all members of the CCWG, and we suspect their discussions will be shaped by those (WP1, WP2, stress test work party outcomes)<br><br>
They will join the welcome cocktail.<br><br>
Best,<br><br>
Adam<br><br>
Adam Peake<br><br>
ICANN<br><br>
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