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On Mar 18, 2015, at 6:13 PM, Phil Buckingham <<a href="mailto:phil@dotadvice.co.uk">phil@dotadvice.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Absolutely agree.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Phil<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Drazek, Keith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 18 March 2015 21:16<br>
<b>To:</b> Adam Peake; Accountability Cross Community<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks Adam.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">For the record, I don’t have a problem with the Advisors meeting together in a private session so they can get to know one another.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">However, as I’ve previously noted, I do have a problem with ICANN staff providing “support/background” for the Advisors meeting without anyone
from the CCWG able to observe. It appears I’m not the only CCWG participant who shares these concerns.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Any substantive discussions, preparatory work or staff guidance to the Advisors should be open and transparent and include community representatives.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I would be satisfied with one CCWG representative acting as a community liaison for the session.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Keith<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adam Peake<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 18, 2015 4:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Accountability Cross Community<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Hi everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">The advisors asked if they could have their own meeting; to get to know each other, to help them prepare for the sessions on Monday and Tuesday,
to consider how they might best support the group while in Istanbul and ongoing. I thought it very reasonable that they should want to do this. I hope it will benefit the CCWG's work in the coming days, and over the next few months.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">No, ICANN Board members will not join the advisors meeting on Sunday. Staff will be there, but to provide support/background. The purpose of
the meeting is to allow the advisors to be able to talk about the proposals before them from the CCWG, and, I think, essentially to get to know each other. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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We hadn't envisioned opening the meeting to observers. As it's their first opportunity for them to talk, to hold informal discussions, I think it perhaps helpful if not open. They are trying to prepare themselves for the meetings ahead. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 4:12 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Accountability Cross Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I share Keith's concern. Let's remember we are holding ICANN to a high standard of transparency in its accountability processes - so of course that standard of transparency
applies to this work as well. I planned to arrive to Istanbul in time to attend any mtgs on Sunday so would like to attend this one as well at least as an observer.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On Mar 18, 2015, at 11:37 AM, Drazek, Keith wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Seun,</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I respectfully disagree.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If ICANN staff or Board members are participating in or attending a private planning meeting of the Advisors, then community members should also
be invited to observe, at a minimum.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If you look at their agenda items 2-5 (especially 2-3), their private meeting will contribute to setting expectations and understanding of the
issues. Wouldn’t that be best enabled through participation of CCWG members, or the Co-Chairs at a minimum?</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In my opinion, it would be inappropriate for ICANN staff and/or Board members to have unique access to the Advisors at this sensitive and formative
stage in their engagement with the CCWG.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks and regards,</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Seun
Ojedeji [<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Drazek, Keith<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>; Adam Peake<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">While it may be fine to have them meet openly, I don't think it's something to worry about. The reason is because of their role being advisory; one would expect that whatever they determine would still be forwarded
to ccwg as an advice to consider.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">sent from Google nexus 4<br>
kindly excuse brevity and typos.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">On 18 Mar 2015 19:09, "Drazek, Keith" <<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Hi Adam,<br>
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Will any ICANN staff or Board members participate in or attend the private meeting of the Advisors?<br>
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Is there a reason their meeting is not open to observers?<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Keith<br>
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On Behalf Of Adam Peake<br>
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 2:04 PM<br>
To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Advisors joining Istanbul meeting<br>
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Hi everyone,<br>
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Three of the Advisors will attend the CCWG meeting on Monday and Tuesday next week:<br>
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Valerie D'Costa, Jan Scholte and Lee Bygrave<br>
(<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Advisors" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/Advisors</a>)<br>
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They arrive on Saturday and will hold their own meeting on Sunday morning and early afternoon. At least one other member, Willie Currie, will join remote.<br>
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This is the first time any of them will have had chance to meet face to face. Tentative agenda for their meeting:<br>
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09:00 - 15:00 local Istanbul (07:00 - 13:00 UTC)<br>
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1. Introduction & Opening Remarks<br>
2. Topics of interest & Concerns<br>
3. Understanding the context and recent developments 4. How can we help the CCWG?<br>
5. Preparing for CCWG session<br>
6. A.O.B<br>
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They will receive the same documents as all members of the CCWG, and we suspect their discussions will be shaped by those (WP1, WP2, stress test work party outcomes)<br>
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They will join the welcome cocktail.<br>
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Best,<br>
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Adam<br>
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Adam Peake<br>
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ICANN<br>
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