Avri,<div><br></div><div>Thank you for writing this email, with which I fully agree.</div><div><br></div><div>Greg Shatan<span></span><br><br>On Sunday, March 22, 2015, Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Hi,<br>
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In ICANN, we do have modifiers before Consensus. And varying
definitions depending on which of the SOAC or processes we are
talking about.<br>
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In GNSO PDP processes we talk about Full Consensus versus Consensus
and that definiton of Consensus is not all that diffferent from the
IETF defintion of rough consensus; though we often use polls instead
of humming to help figure out how to continue the discussion toward
consensus.<br>
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The GNSO definition is different from the GAC deffintion which I
wont presume to define.<br>
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And in defining ICANN Consensus Policy, we have yet another
definition which often depends on voting thresholds.<br>
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Personally I find it hard to talk about Consensus in ICANN without
using modifiers of some sort. <br>
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As for an ICG definition of Consensus, that is beyond my pay grade
to try and fathom.<br>
<br>
avri<br>
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<div>On 22-Mar-15 20:57, Kavouss Arasteh
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<div>Dear All,</div>
<div> Some relevant questions and good reply.</div>
<div>I strongly oppose any adjustive before consensus whether
it is " rough " or " Soft" or any thing else.</div>
<div>We are CCWG and not IETF.</div>
<div>In ICG that term even though proposed was abandonnned</div>
<div>Pls kindly do not interpret " CONSENSUS" </div>
<div>Regards</div>
<div>Kavouss </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2015-03-22 19:18 GMT+01:00 Rahul Sharma
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Arun,
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<div>Just thinking aloud on the substance pointer raised -
can multistakholder model be evolved in a manner that
ensures proportional representation in communities,
forums, structures and Board. When I say proportional, I
mean proportional to Internet population of the country.<br>
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Regards,</div>
<div>Rahul Sharma</div>
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<div>On 22 March 2015 at 15:04, Arun
Sukumar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','arun.sukumar@nludelhi.ac.in');" target="_blank">arun.sukumar@nludelhi.ac.in</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">Valerie D'Costa, an advisor to the
CCWG, raised a couple of interesting and
important questions on process and substance. I
hope this is a faithful reproduction.
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<div>On process:</div>
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<div>1. What should be the role of advisors?
Should they offer advice on the basis of
unanimity or "rough consensus", or just
provide input independently? </div>
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<div>2. Should advisors restrict their role to
responding to questions that have been flagged
by the CCWG and routed through the chairs? Or
should they/ can they flag issues they feel
are important - weighed from their expertise. </div>
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<div>On substance:</div>
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<div>1. How is the accountability process taking
stock of the evolving "global internet
community", given that it is going to be
driven by numbers from the developing world? </div>
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<div>2. Taking off from Q1, is the CCWG
evaluating the future capacity of ICANN to be
truly representative in the years to come?</div>
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<div>arun</div>
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