<p dir="ltr">Hi,</p>
<p dir="ltr">I think we should always try to avoid limiting the role of keeping ICANN accountable to an individual/entity. The entire community rather should hold ICANN accountable, that can happen by putting in place mechanism that ensure transparency in access to data with improve communication between the community and ICANN staff (board).</p>
<p dir="ltr">That is why I will disagree with Kieren on having a person/entity keeping ICANN accountable financially. What is important is that community participate in selecting audit firm(preferred feature) and the subsequent audit report accessible to the community for review and query if required.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Regards<br>
sent from Google nexus 4<br>
kindly excuse brevity and typos.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 24 Mar 2015 14:30, "Kieren McCarthy" <<a href="mailto:kierenmccarthy@gmail.com">kierenmccarthy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>So I think the answer in this case would not be to try to decide a new audit mechanism but instead create a role where someone suitably qualified is allowed to compel production of financial records as an independent financial reviewer.</div>
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<div>A sort of GAO role for ICANN. This person/entity would then have the ability and flexibility to keep ICANN in check financially.</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">That’s why I called it a “forensic audit” – it’s a practice I’m familiar with that I’ve heard go by that name, but I am comfortable with “deep dive.” I am not asking after the annual financials for the last 5 years – but a deeper examination of line-item expenditures and such. At the top level, the financials ICANN releases which talk about thinks like administrative expenses have much less detail than I am suggesting we should be interested in – either as part of the CCWG’s review or as part of a longer-term WS2 project for the “Community Council” (of what ever form it takes) to undertake to see where the expenditures are going on a more granular basis.<p></p></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The financial auditing process is a highly-defined and regulated process. A number of reforms were introduced after Enron, to avoid more Enrons. Within the definition and restrictions of what a financial audit is, I think we can assume that BDO is doing an appropriate, professional job. BDO will follow the same "playbook" no matter who the client is. I don't think it's fruitful for this group to pursue global reforms of the financial audit process, so I suggest we not pursue inquiries that assume the process is per se corrupt. I also don't think it's fruitful to redesign the standard financial audit. That said, there's probably valid accountability questions along the lines of "How does the community gain transparency and insight into the audit process?" "Are the current methods for doing so sufficient?<p></p></span></p></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">More interesting, and really a different inquiry is the "audit" proposed by Paul and alluded to by Kieren, which for the sake of clarity we probably shouldn't call an "audit" at all (since that's what brought this thread into the weeds in the first place). I'm not sure if there's a proper term for it. I'll just call it the "deep dive."<p></p></span></p></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">What would this deep dive consist of?<p></p></span></p></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Is it limited to financial matters?<p></p></span></p></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">What are we hoping to look at?<p></p></span></p></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">What powers are part of this deep dive? (Note: I think financial auditors don't really have any "power" -- they can raise red flags and make recommendations, but they can't force the client to eat its spinach. I think the worst they can do is walk away. But this is not really my field, so I might be wrong about that.)<p></p></span></p></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Just a few thoughts....<p></p></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:32 PM, <<a href="mailto:carriedev@gmail.com" target="_blank">carriedev@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">FYI, I caught this article. How odd swifts people get the special access?</p>
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<p>I beg to differ Carrie, I don't understand the rationale behind your claim that an audit will lack independence (credibility) because ICANN is paying. Please tell me which audit company does free auditing without being paid....most organisations that use external auditors pay them from the same company money and that does not diminish the vl credibility of the report.</p>
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<p>I think we may be introducing so much unrealistic examples in this process.</p>
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<p>sent from Google nexus 4<br>kindly excuse brevity and typos.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">This is a very useful point – one, that I’ve been making in other contexts for a while. Two things we should consider requiring:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Conduct and publicly release a five-year forensic audit. Before entrusting ICANN with greater autonomy, it should provide evidence that its financial and management decisions have been sound and comport with accepted business practices.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Conduct an annual outside audit. ICANN should be required to contract with an internationally recognized auditing firm (such as Deloitte, Dettica, PricewaterhouseCoopers, Ernst & Young, or KPMG) to conduct and publicly release an annual audit of the organizations. The costs should be paid by ICANN and the new IANA consortium and the auditing firm should be eligible only if it does not have a pre-existing contract with ICANN.</span></p>
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