<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Thank you,</div><div><br></div><div>el</div><div><br>-- <span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "></span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13pt; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);">Sent from </span><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Dr Lisse's iPhone 6</span></div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Mar 26, 2015, at 10:20, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Dear Eberhard,</span><br><span></span><br><span>Thank you for pointing out the second read. You are right. This needs a second read in our next call.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I apologize for the unintended mistake and will be happy to include it as an agenda item for our next call.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I do like the idea of having Kieren in the team. </span><br><span></span><br><span>Best regards,</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>León</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>El 26/03/2015, a las 9:22, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <<a href="mailto:directors@omadhina.net">directors@omadhina.net</a>> escribió:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Kieren,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>please read my previous email as being in full agreement with your</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>rationale.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Leon,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>we need to "read" this again on our next call, which would be next</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Tuesday, what time? Please advise ASAP, so Kieren can see whether</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>he can make the time to join :-)-O</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>el</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>PS: I might even be interested in lurking on the legal sub-team list,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>eminently qualified as I am being a Gynaecologist :-)-O</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 2015-03-26 09:10, Kieren McCarthy wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>So I'll be honest - what I read is a single justification to have</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>a closed sub-group that is directly contradicted by your own words</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>moments earlier.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sole justification: "As I said, this is an open, and will remain</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>open for anyone that wants to participate, but we need to of</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>course face the fact that having a conversation between 160</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>persons and a law firm might not be the more practical approach."</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>But moments earlier you state that you'd never had more than seven</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>people on a call. So you are stating a future possibility that is</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>not based on current realities. And then limiting the process'</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>accountability and transparent norms based on that purely</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>hypothetical situation. Why?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I'll also note that the sub group immediately decided to do away</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>with your promise to keep it open "for anyone that wants to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>participate". So it could be argued that the vote that was taken</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>did not accurately represent was is actually in place.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>As for authorization: you provided an exceptionally busy group</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>with at most a few minutes to decide on a proposal that you put</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>forward with the strong implication that it needed a positive vote</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>in order to progress.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>This doesn't meet any kind of standard for good governance.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Furthermore I'll note that there was no discussion at all over the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>clear conflict of interest that exists in having a member of</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>ICANN's legal team as the support for a group whose sole purpose</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>is to provide legal advice independently of ICANN.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Please don't take this personally, I have no doubt you are an</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>honorable and hardworking member of the internet community. But</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>this process and the decisions being made don't pass muster on</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>even the most relaxed and generous grounds.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Kieren</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>- [sent through phone]</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 9:43 PM, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a> <<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx">mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> Dear Arun,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> Thanks for your message. The team role would be to pass along</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> messages to the law firms and follow up on them in order to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> make it easier to handle the communications between the law</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> firms and the larger CCWG.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> This, of course, does not mean that no other members or</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> participants of the wider CCWG would be able to raise</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> questions and request further information or clarifications to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> any question raised.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> I hope this helps clarify the team’s role.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> Best regards,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>[...]</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a></span><br></blockquote></div></blockquote></body></html>