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<p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
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one of those who insisted that we don’t have to try to comply with a deadline. Others
before me made the same suggestion. We need to work for an agreed proposal by
the whole members of this group. But unfortunately, running like we are doing
now makes us accept decision with something similar to a consensus because most
of the group members can’t stop everything in their job and their personal life
to follow the work done by a few very dynamic and committed people who I thank
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<p class=MsoPlainText>-----Message d'origine-----<br>
De : accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org
[mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] De la part de Roelof
Meijer<br>
Envoyé : jeudi 9 avril 2015 13:01<br>
À : accountability-cross-community@icann.org<br>
Cc : ccnso-council@icann.org<br>
Objet : [CCWG-ACCT] Objection to our present work planning</p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Dear co-chairs, dear all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>I find myself in agreement with Eberhard with regard to
the steep increase<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>in the number of calls for both the CCWG as well as its
subgroups like wp1<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>and acct-legal.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>It frustrates me to see that, after a period during which
we burned a lot<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>of time on -let me politely phrase it as „less relevant
and/or out of<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>scope”- subjects and several of us warned against the
deadline becoming<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>unreachable, we have know replaced the deadline that has
become<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>unrealistic with a work planning that is simply absurd.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>As a result, we now have roughly a two hour conference
call every day of<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>the week, several days with two calls, and thus more
calls in a week at<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>unholy hours. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>I object to this way of working, as it makes the whole
process far less<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>inclusive. Many of us have both a demanding job as well
as a private life,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>both of which we cherish. For me it is now simply
unavoidable to miss a<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>significant part of the calls and impossible to deal with
all the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>necessary working groups’ work in-between them. I know
that this is now<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>the case for quite a number of us.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>We are rushing forward to reach a deadline which is
nothing more by now<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>than a dead line, and in our hurry seem to accept that
the process loses<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>inclusiveness, transparency and accountability, leaving
us with an outcome<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>that will be of much lower quality.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>I for one, find this unacceptable.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Roelof A. Meijer<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>On 08-04-15 14:15, "Dr Eberhard Lisse"
<el@lisse.NA> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>Thank you very much.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>so next week 3 calls (Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, the
latter of which<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>I could not make even if I wanted to (see below))?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>The following week another three (Monday, and 2 on
Tuesday)?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>More than one call per week is already difficult
enough to absorb,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>but three? And then two on one day? When we are
already spending<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>too much time on process and very little on substance?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>This is not conducive to thoughtful deliberation and
as I have said<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>numerous times I am opposed to rushing things through
just because<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>of a perceived deadline, which in our case does not
even exist in<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>reality.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>> I object to this.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>And while we are at it, I have asked NUMEROUS times
to have the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>legal foundation of the USG's claim to the root
and/or the IANA<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>function researched by our legal advisers. I was
told it would be<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>done, but it has not from what I can see and my
repeated requests in<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>this regards have been ignored by the Co-Chairs.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>I have made several requests/suggestions in how to
deal with the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>GAO, which the Co-Chairs do not agree with. Be that
as it may, I<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>reserve the rights to communicate my thoughts to the
GAO as they<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>have explicitly requested/suggested.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>I have extremely serious concerns about at least the
passage of the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>German collaborative white paper (or whatever it is
called), which<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>as far as ccTLDs are concerned is totally our of
order and<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>unacceptable, in as much it suggests that ccTLD/ccNSO
policy being<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>taken over by governments (which as we all know is
opposed to the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>USG's stated intent.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>The GAC Representative of Denmark has proposed in
Istanbul during<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>the ad-hoc Stress Test Breakfast, what I understand
to be a total<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>removal of ccNSO's policy making powers, in favor of
governments<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>deciding. Using the words "Out with the
Old" he stated that the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>RFCs must be done away with. I am not clear whether
this is the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>position of the Representative, his government or the
GAC, but when<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>read together with the above, this is not acceptable
to me.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>I have not that many concerns with regards to
Delegation of a ccTLD<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>(after establishment), including a Transfer of an
exsiting ccTLD.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>But as far as Revocation of an incumbent ccTLD
Manager is concerned,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>I have stated numerous times, that we need to
preserve the existing<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>rights of incumbent ccTLD Managers.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>This is NOT negotiable.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>And the best way of doing this is by way of the
Framework of<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>Interpretation Principles.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>Mr Chehade has apparently in public (and on the
record) accused<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>senior ccTLD managers of not knowing how the IANA
functions work.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>As a ccTLD Manager with 24 years uninterrupted
service I tend to<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>agree that I do not know how the IANA function is
operated by the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>current Function Manager (ICANN), though I do have a
really good<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>idea how it SHOULD be operated.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>Therefor I have requested that Mr Chehade explain to
us how this<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>works. I can not find any feedback on this issue.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>Unless these issues are addressed to my satisfaction
(and I am not<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>saying that they must be resolved necessarily to my
satisfaction) I<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>shall, as a ccNSO appointed member, be formally
objecting to any<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>output of the CCWG-Accountability.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>I am circulating this to the usual ccTLD lists as
well.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>greetings, el<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>On 2015-04-08 12:10, Brenda Brewer wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>> Hi Eberhard,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>> Please see attachment in pdf format.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>> Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>> Brenda<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>[...]<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>-- <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse \ / Obstetrician &
Gynaecologist (Saar)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>el@lisse.NA / * | Telephone: +264 81
124 6733 (cell)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>>PO Box 8421 \ /<o:p></o:p></p>
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