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Dear Colleagues, <br>
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This is to mention that, as co chairs, we are closely monitoring
this discussion. As you know, we introduced this new work plan
during the last CCWG call, meeting at the time no objection. We are
however receptive to the concerns raised and welcome constructive
inputs.<br>
<br>
Since I have just finished our CCWG-CWG co-chair coordination call,
I can however confirm that the main reason for meeting the target
date we set in Istanbul remains very much up to date : the CWG needs
clarity on our proposals to confirm its own options. Delay on our
side might jeopardize their timeline, which in turn affects the ICG,
etc. <br>
<br>
We will get back to the group on Monday, once we also have greater
clarity on the status of work party progress. <br>
<br>
Thanks to all of you for your commitment and inputs, which we
encourage to focus on the working party inputs at this precise
point. <br>
<br>
Mathieu<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 10/04/2015 07:34, Dr Eberhard W
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<div>No, Cheryl, it is not, with all due respect to Ed.</div>
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<div>It is again fiddling with process and not dealing with
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 10 April 2015 at 11:03, Edward
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<div>I share your concern and like you I'm not going
to be able to attend every general, subgroup and
sub-subgroup meeting going forward. We all have
lives away from ICANN and invariably there are going
to be times when other aspects of our existence need
to take priority. I'm just amazed and very grateful
that there are those who are able to volunteer and
donate such an incredible amount of time to our
joint effort. This is an exceptional group of
people.</div>
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<div>I'm very happy that our immediate deadline was
shifted from early to late April at the Istanbul
meeting. It helped. I too wish we could go forward
at an even more reasoned and considered pace. I
can't attend the meeting tonight or, frankly, a few
other nights where they have been scheduled. I'm
committed to this project but I'm also committed to
attending my own birthday party later this month. I
sort of need to be there for that. So be it. Our
CCWG is not operating in isolation and I do
understand the need for a tight deadline. I don't
like it, but I do understand it.</div>
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<div>I do have one request, though, that would allow
me to participate in as complete a manner as I can
going forward given my own circumstances. Would it
be possible, even at additional cost, to have staff
or contracted help to produce complete transcripts
of the CCWG and WP sessions on a maximum 24 hour
turnaround (or something approaching that)? My
concern is that those of us who can't be at every
meeting would either not participate in future
sessions we could attend, feeling we weren't up to
date on matters, or, even worse, would drag down
future proceedings as we tried to understand that
which we missed. Audio recordings are nice, but time
consuming. Fast track transcripts, I think, could
help alleviate some problems caused by the intensive
work schedule.</div>
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<div>Thanks for considering,</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at
1:01 PM, Roelof Meijer <span dir="ltr"><<a
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solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear co-chairs, dear
all,<br>
<br>
I find myself in agreement with Eberhard with
regard to the steep increase<br>
in the number of calls for both the CCWG as
well as its subgroups like wp1<br>
and acct-legal.<br>
<br>
It frustrates me to see that, after a period
during which we burned a lot<br>
of time on -let me politely phrase it as „less
relevant and/or out of<br>
scope”- subjects and several of us warned
against the deadline becoming<br>
unreachable, we have know replaced the
deadline that has become<br>
unrealistic with a work planning that is
simply absurd.<br>
<br>
As a result, we now have roughly a two hour
conference call every day of<br>
the week, several days with two calls, and
thus more calls in a week at<br>
unholy hours.<br>
I object to this way of working, as it makes
the whole process far less<br>
inclusive. Many of us have both a demanding
job as well as a private life,<br>
both of which we cherish. For me it is now
simply unavoidable to miss a<br>
significant part of the calls and impossible
to deal with all the<br>
necessary working groups’ work in-between
them. I know that this is now<br>
the case for quite a number of us.<br>
<br>
We are rushing forward to reach a deadline
which is nothing more by now<br>
than a dead line, and in our hurry seem to
accept that the process loses<br>
inclusiveness, transparency and
accountability, leaving us with an outcome<br>
that will be of much lower quality.<br>
<br>
I for one, find this unacceptable.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
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On 08-04-15 14:15, "Dr Eberhard Lisse" <<a
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>Thank you very much.<br>
><br>
>so next week 3 calls (Tuesday, Thursday,
Friday, the latter of which<br>
>I could not make even if I wanted to (see
below))?<br>
><br>
>The following week another three (Monday,
and 2 on Tuesday)?<br>
><br>
><br>
>More than one call per week is already
difficult enough to absorb,<br>
>but three? And then two on one day? When
we are already spending<br>
>too much time on process and very little
on substance?<br>
><br>
><br>
>This is not conducive to thoughtful
deliberation and as I have said<br>
>numerous times I am opposed to rushing
things through just because<br>
>of a perceived deadline, which in our case
does not even exist in<br>
>reality.<br>
><br>
> I object to this.<br>
><br>
><br>
>And while we are at it, I have asked
NUMEROUS times to have the<br>
>legal foundation of the USG's claim to the
root and/or the IANA<br>
>function researched by our legal
advisers. I was told it would be<br>
>done, but it has not from what I can see
and my repeated requests in<br>
>this regards have been ignored by the
Co-Chairs.<br>
><br>
><br>
>I have made several requests/suggestions
in how to deal with the<br>
>GAO, which the Co-Chairs do not agree
with. Be that as it may, I<br>
>reserve the rights to communicate my
thoughts to the GAO as they<br>
>have explicitly requested/suggested.<br>
><br>
><br>
>I have extremely serious concerns about at
least the passage of the<br>
>German collaborative white paper (or
whatever it is called), which<br>
>as far as ccTLDs are concerned is totally
our of order and<br>
>unacceptable, in as much it suggests that
ccTLD/ccNSO policy being<br>
>taken over by governments (which as we all
know is opposed to the<br>
>USG's stated intent.<br>
><br>
>The GAC Representative of Denmark has
proposed in Istanbul during<br>
>the ad-hoc Stress Test Breakfast, what I
understand to be a total<br>
>removal of ccNSO's policy making powers,
in favor of governments<br>
>deciding. Using the words "Out with the
Old" he stated that the<br>
>RFCs must be done away with. I am not
clear whether this is the<br>
>position of the Representative, his
government or the GAC, but when<br>
>read together with the above, this is not
acceptable to me.<br>
><br>
>I have not that many concerns with regards
to Delegation of a ccTLD<br>
>(after establishment), including a
Transfer of an exsiting ccTLD.<br>
><br>
>But as far as Revocation of an incumbent
ccTLD Manager is concerned,<br>
>I have stated numerous times, that we need
to preserve the existing<br>
>rights of incumbent ccTLD Managers.<br>
><br>
>This is NOT negotiable.<br>
><br>
>And the best way of doing this is by way
of the Framework of<br>
>Interpretation Principles.<br>
><br>
><br>
>Mr Chehade has apparently in public (and
on the record) accused<br>
>senior ccTLD managers of not knowing how
the IANA functions work.<br>
>As a ccTLD Manager with 24 years
uninterrupted service I tend to<br>
>agree that I do not know how the IANA
function is operated by the<br>
>current Function Manager (ICANN), though I
do have a really good<br>
>idea how it SHOULD be operated.<br>
><br>
>Therefor I have requested that Mr Chehade
explain to us how this<br>
>works. I can not find any feedback on
this issue.<br>
><br>
><br>
>Unless these issues are addressed to my
satisfaction (and I am not<br>
>saying that they must be resolved
necessarily to my satisfaction) I<br>
>shall, as a ccNSO appointed member, be
formally objecting to any<br>
>output of the CCWG-Accountability.<br>
><br>
>I am circulating this to the usual ccTLD
lists as well.<br>
><br>
><br>
>greetings, el<br>
><br>
>On 2015-04-08 12:10, Brenda Brewer wrote:<br>
>> Hi Eberhard,<br>
>><br>
>> Please see attachment in pdf format.<br>
>><br>
>> Best,<br>
>> Brenda<br>
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