<div dir="ltr">I know this is bold, but is there any chance a reviewed copy might be available for discussion in WP1 on Friday?<br><br><div>Many thanks</div><div>Jordan</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 15 April 2015 at 17:00, List for the work of CCWG-Accountability Legal SubTeam <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org" target="_blank">ccwg-accountability5@icann.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Dear Holly and Rosemary,<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Please do review Robin’s table. I apologize for the delay on assignment and don’t expect you to have elaborated for our call tomorrow but rather give an initial review so we can further discuss in our call tomorrow.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div>
<div>Best regards,</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>León</div>
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>El 14/04/2015, a las 16:42, List for the work of CCWG-Accountability Legal SubTeam <<a href="mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org" target="_blank">ccwg-accountability5@icann.org</a>> escribió:</div><br><div>
<div><p>Happy to review with direction from Legal Subteam. Please provide direction ASAP. Holly<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Acct-Legal] [CCWG-ACCT] community powers comparison: designator & membership model - what powers can we create and how to enforce them?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Fantastic work Robin and much appreciated!
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<div>I echo Greg's comments concerning the role of litigation in both models. I do like the format and I think it would be a great idea to have it reviewed and improved upon, if necessary, by counsel, for distribution to the general list.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 8:19 PM, List for the work of CCWG-Accountability Legal SubTeam
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ccwg-accountability5@icann.org" target="_blank">ccwg-accountability5@icann.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thank you for this. A great deal of effort clearly went into this and this should develop into a very useful tool. However, I think we will need to have this reviewed by legal counsel before
we rely on it. Having reviewed this briefly, I am uncertain that at this stage this document accurately captures the legal advice, particularly with regard to how the rights can be enforced. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Specifically, this seems to give the impression that, if the membership model were chosen, the members would be limited to running off to court in most cases should rights need to be enforced.
I'm fairly confident that is not the case. I believe that the remedies listed for the designator model, particularly changes to the bylaws and the IRP, are equally available in the member model. With regard to litigation, I think the distinction is that
the designators have no ability to litigate on behalf of the corporation, while this is one possibility (but far from the only one) available to members. In other words, such litigation is an extra power, not the only power, available to members.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The Legal Sub Team (copied here) should discuss how to proceed.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thank you again for taking the laboring oar in pulling this together!</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best regards,</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Robin Gross <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Hello Team,<br>
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What we need to do is take a hard look at both the membership model and the designator model and understand what rights can be created and how will they be enforced. Once we understand what we *can* do, we need to look at the pros/cons of the different models
and evaluate accordingly.<br>
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But first, we need to understand what *can* be done so we can discuss *if* we ought to do it and what is the best means.<br>
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So I've taken a first pass of each of the 6 community empowerment goals and created a comparison table to lay-out what rights can be created and how they can be enforced. I've combed through all the 200+ pages of legal memos, today's CCWG call, and calls of
the legal sub-team to compile this info into one table so the models can begin to be evaluated side-by-side.<br>
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The doc is attached and also here is a link to the table comparing the 2 models:<br>
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spreadsheets_d_1kkkRBpMUkTpD5-5FRP-5FOgo1PTGzGt2kC6f1xooHfJXRBc_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=AwMFaQ&c=Od00qP2XTg0tXf_H69-T2w&r=1-1w8mU_eFprE2Nn9QnYf01XIV88MOwkXwHYEbF2Y_8&m=nyDQdlri5xYHMimBihFhuPRDmv90jS4gFWrucTjoxrM&s=nn6UHsMF-YpzD09pBcaHOa5b41fXAi_G4BJGOV2NU4A&e=" target="_blank">
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kkkRBpMUkTpD5_RP_Ogo1PTGzGt2kC6f1xooHfJXRBc/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
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I am hopeful it can begin to help us to wrap our minds around what our goals are and how they could be accomplished by the two models at play.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
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