<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>+1<br><br>Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez<div>+506 8837 7176 (New Number)</div><div>Enviado desde mi iPhone</div></div><div><br>El abr 15, 2015, a las 8:29, Drazek, Keith <<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>> escribió:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Dear Eberhard, Akinbo and Sean,<br>
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While I agree this issue requires deliberate treatment, I have a few questions in response to points raised in this thread.</span></div>
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<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Why couldn't a subset of ccTLD members (those who have joined the ccNSO) collaborate to make the ccNSO a statutory member of ICANN? We're not talking about every registry (gTLD or ccTLD) or individual
person who participates in ICANN becoming a direct member. </span></div>
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<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">That some ccTLDs choose to not join the ccNSO shouldn't prevent those who have joined from cooperating to give the ccNSO greater oversight of ICANN's Board and staff. </span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Or
am I missing something? </span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Please help me understand the specific ccTLD concern in this context. </span></div>
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<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">If we're designing an accountability framework for ICANN and its community, how can we be expected to accommodate and incorporate the interests of self-determined outsiders other than to invite them
to join the community and participate in its processes? </span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">In my view, anyone with interests impacted by ICANN should get involved and not sit outside looking in.</span></div>
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<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Also, Eberhard, I'm not clear on why the legal foundation for the USG's claim on the IANA functions/root is relevant to the discussion of ICANN's </span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">accountability
to the community, which is the focus of this group. Perhaps that is a topic more relevant to the work of the CWG Transition? </span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Again, I may be missing something and would welcome the dots being connected. </span></div>
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Regards,<br>
Keith</span><br>
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On Apr 15, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Adebunmi AKINBO <<a href="mailto:akinbo.adebunmi@gmail.com">akinbo.adebunmi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">+1 Lisse, Otieno.
<div>-Akinbo.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Barrack Otieno <span dir="ltr">
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I am in agreement with Dr. Lisse,i think the issues he raises are of<br>
fundamental importance and should be looked at in detail as we move<br>
forwad. It is better to get it right than as opposed to just focusing<br>
on a deliverable.<br>
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On 4/15/15, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <<a href="mailto:el@lisse.na">el@lisse.na</a>> wrote:<br>
> Dear Co-Chairs Thomas and Matheiu,<br>
><br>
> Can you please explain to you Co-Chair that the very point was that<br>
> I need time to study the document and that I objected and still<br>
> object against dealing with this in a cursory manner.<br>
><br>
> However, since he asked, I'll write under correction, that I don't<br>
> think ccTLDs can be (in) a member organization unless all 253 bind<br>
> themselves to this.<br>
><br>
> I have asked NUMEROUS times, to no avail, that we find out what the<br>
> legal foundation of the USG's claim to the root/IANA function is.<br>
> And we need to establish how this relates to each ccTLD. We may not<br>
> be able to do this for all 253 (or how many they are) but there are<br>
> a few broad categories we can classify them in.<br>
><br>
> For example (and just off the cuff and decidedly incomplete)<br>
><br>
> Before RFC1951 (1994)<br>
> before ICANN<br>
> During ICANN<br>
> IDN ccTLDs<br>
><br>
> But, again, I object to being put under pressure of dealing with a<br>
> complex matter and document in a superficial manner.<br>
><br>
> greetings, el<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 2015-04-15 04:16 , León Felipe Sánchez Ambía wrote:<br>
>> Dear Eberhard,<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks for your comments.<br>
>><br>
>> Which content issues did you identify in the document? I will be<br>
>> happy to discuss and take back to the legal sub-team and the<br>
>> lawyers.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Best regards,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> León<br>
>><br>
>>> El 14/04/2015, a las 7:42, Dr Eberhard Lisse <<a href="mailto:el@lisse.NA">el@lisse.NA</a>> escribió:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Dear Co-Charis,<br>
>>><br>
>>> this is not directed against an individual or a group of individuals<br>
>>> (inside the CCWG).<br>
>>><br>
>>> I can not participate in a meaningful deliberation on this unless I<br>
>>> have time to properly review this document, not just being fed a<br>
>>> large number of busy slides.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Never mind "decision".<br>
>>><br>
>>> There are some content issues (for example with regards to<br>
>>> membership as far as ccTLDs are concerned) which flashed by.<br>
>>><br>
>>> This the wrong way of dealing with this, and I renew my objection for<br>
>>> the record.<br>
>>><br>
>>> el<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 2015-04-14 13:29, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía wrote:<br>
>>>> Dear Eberhard,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The slides were sent to everyone as soon as we got them.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I remind you that no substantial decision is made on any single<br>
>>>> call so you don’t have to worry on having to decide on anything<br>
>>>> on this call. We make second readings on substantial issues.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Best regards,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> León<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> El 14/04/2015, a las 7:25, Dr Eberhard Lisse <<a href="mailto:el@lisse.NA">el@lisse.NA</a>><br>
>>>>> escribió:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Dear Co-Chairs,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Why have the slides of the law firm not been sent to us early<br>
>>>>> enough to consider them, prior to being presented and discussed?<br>
>>>>> Never mind decision making.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I object to this.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> el<br>
>>>>> --<br>
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